BringBackHakstol
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But isn't though. Patience with Morin might lead to something good for this team. Pacioretty is a proven 30-goal scorer and is 25 years old and signed to a reasonable long-term deal. Morin is potential and nothing more. Just saying "have patience" doesn't do anything. You can have all the patience in the world in hopes that your players will develop, but passing up on proven players because you want to assemble a team to win a Cup down the road makes little sense if those players down the road amount to nothing. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush every day of the week. I have to stress that Pacioretty is just 25. This isn't some overpaid guy on the back end. This is a young kid on a long-term affordable deal.
I'm really not. $10 million comes off the books next year in Timonen and Meszaros. And the cap goes up. We need help on defense, I agree. But we also need help on offense. You want cheap defenders, right? What about cheap wingers? Want to sign Vanek? He'll be more than $4.5 million. Gaborik? Same thing. Most 30-goal scorers will be. Especially 25 year old ones.
What makes you think I want to sign those guys? Clearly, I'm against using the FA market in this way because there's a very good chance you will be dissapointed. I don't care if it's for D or for forward. I think we should hold onto our forward prospects, too.
Who needs a big raise in the next couple years? No one, really. Downie will get a bump. Schenn will too. In three years Voracek and Couturier will need a raise. That will be at the same time Morin MIGHT crack the lineup. You don't think that things will change between now and then to make room for whomever is coming or going? Hagg will be cheap at that time, so will Ghost. Maybe they draft someone next year who will be able to step up. Maybe they sign a college UFA. There are so many moving parts here that it is silly just to say "HAVE PATIENCE" and think that that is a good plan.
I fail to see how any of the above is relevant to the argument at hand, or anything I've said.
Patience is not a bad thing, but it also isn't always a good thing. I know the organization gets killed around here for not planning for the future, but you can't just ignore the present. Pacioretty helps now AND in the future, even if it means giving up a defensive prospect. Holding on to Morin can only help the future and only if he develops the way we hope. Seems to me the safe bet is going with Pacioretty. Even if Morin turns out to be a stud, you have a young, consistent, 30-goal threat for the foreseeable future. If Morin busts, all the better the deal looks.
This is the type of thinking that landed us with Steve Eminger and cost us the chance to have John Carlson on this roster. Imagine how different this team would be right now if they held onto some of their picks/prospects over the years. And look how far this mentality has gotten this franchise? Nowhere.
Huh? What time are you talking about? If time is running out...why should the Flyers have patience with Morin? Wouldn't more time = more room for patience, less time = less room for patience?
Time is running out for our D. We are in danger of having one of the worst D squads in the league if we don't start producing some talent there. I'm also tired of having the most expensive D in the league and a clearly bottom 3rd unit, as well.
Obviously that is not what you strive for, but not every UFA is going to be a $4 million healthy scratch. That is what happened to Mesz since his injuries, but it is far from a given that a UFA will fail simply because he is not a home-grown player.
Not every one, but you can be sure almost every one will be paid more than what they are worth.
Danny Briere is considered a mildly successful UFA signing and we had to be saved by an amnesty rule that we didn't know would exist on that contract. The only UFA signing Holgmren has made that truly delivered to expectations for us was Timonen, and since then we've only seen a couple D of that calibre even hit the market.
As I've pointed out in previous thread, the only recipe for success in the NHL recently is sucking for a decade or getting lucky with late round picks. Of the last five or six champions, Chicago, LA, and Pitt all sucked for the bulk of the years preceding their victories.
Or maybe you could say all of those teams had patience? They could have easily said hey we suck let's trade all of our picks and prospects to get better.
Chicago hand raised their top 3 D, and also rebuilt their roster after their apparent "capmaggedon" after 2010. They mostly did that by plugging in youngsters from their system that they held onto. Guys like Saad and Crawford.
Detroit was made up of a number of mid-late round picks that turned into gold and happened to have arguably the greatest defenseman of all time anchoring their blueline. Boston is more of the anomaly as of late, who weren't really as woeful as Chicago, LA, and Pitt and had a lot of success with signing UFAs and trading for players. But yeah, the only way to do it is to have patience.
So how is Detriot not an example of how people here want to handle this situation? They make few trades, are careful on the UFA market, and hold onto their picks and prospects.
Boston made a slam dunk UFA signing in Chara. Other than that, their core players are mostly drafted by them.
These teams all won the cup with very strong D units, too by the way