So what your saying is BM was unable to build depth at the pro level so he forced prospects in positions they were not able to fill and why this team was unsuccessful
Confirmed with Link: Murray steps down, Dorion is our new GM
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So what your saying is BM was unable to build depth at the pro level so he forced prospects in positions they were not able to fill and why this team was unsuccessful
That doesnt count though, BM has screwed the team period .We are without hope and need to teardown and rebuild ,because we are such a mess
That doesnt count though, BM has screwed the team period .We are without hope and need to teardown and rebuild ,because we are such a mess
That would probably make sense... Get out of the crippling Phanuef and Ryan deals so the new GM can have financial flexibility while building
No what he is saying is the exact thing you seem oblivious to
ttawa team has been built internally ,with homegrown talent .With more on the way,the system has been all but harvested .And is going to get a fresh influx of young talent,Englund,Chabot,Perron,White.Are part of the next crop,we will look to add to our current team fromYep and what about guys like EK,Stone Turris ??We are going to make changes at the player level .This much is certain ,we have all the flexibilty we need for now and moving forward
True, though we can blame him for this organization's refusal to keep up with most other teams in using analytics to help better evaluate players, instead relying as heavily on the eye-test and whether or not they liked a player's perceived intangibles. Honestly, instead of just having 1 recent grad student who they only get info from on an as requested basis, maybe they should have had 3 or 4 guys on staff regularly feeding them info? A department like that wouldn't cost much, and would likely end up saving the team money on player salaries by identifying the right players to keep, who could be a bargain, etc..
We can also totally blame Murray for hiring 5 different coaches (not counting the time he briefly stepped back behind the bench...in his first year as GM) in a span of 9 years. And for accepting the team not drafting the best player available, but instead looking for a "dimension," which basically is again perceived intangibles.
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Really? And almost 10 years later, what has he done??? We have more holes in team, then when he started! That’s 10 Years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best Murray move in awhile!
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If true, it's not too exciting imo. One of the things that makes dorion taking over somewhat acceptable for me anyway(which is very important!) is that randy Lee will likely never be too far away. And he will be a very important part of management should dorion in fact take over.
As seen a the exit meetings (one example dorion and Lee and players were all present) it was Lee who was doing most of the talking and asking the intelligent questions. He looks to be the one with more of the fire inside to win and the plan to get there with attention to DETAIL. This is my impression over the years.
So if BM is stepping aside it is more like dorion and Lee will be teaming up to take over. Which could work ok. Have to give them a chance if this is the situation. Tim Murray is not coming back I guess
As seen a the exit meetings (one example dorion and Lee and players were all present) it was Lee who was doing most of the talking and asking the intelligent questions. He looks to be the one with more of the fire inside to win and the plan to get there with attention to DETAIL. This is my impression over the years.
So if BM is stepping aside it is more like dorion and Lee will be teaming up to take over. Which could work ok. Have to give them a chance if this is the situation. Tim Murray is not coming back I guess
No what he is saying is the exact thing you seem oblivious to
That next wave of talent was ranked 24th by the professionals... THN takes its info from management and scouts
Other then White and Chabot the farm system is abysmal. Hopefully those two pan, cause they are the only top six / top four guys we have really
Yep. And in the case of some of those young players, he gave them multiple opportunities to find their game or just kept them around if he liked their size, hitting, etc. regardless of how they actually played. Cough* Cowen *cough.
Yep this is wrong and without context ,but whatever. Just spewing out nonsense is the name of the game with you ad the others here that dont understand the difference between NHL16 and and a actual nhl teamReally? And almost 10 years later, what has he done??? We have more holes in team, then when he started! That’s 10 Years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh stop ,our system has always been underated.That next wave of talent was ranked 24th by the professionals... THN takes its info from management and scouts
Other then White and Chabot the farm system is abysmal. Hopefully those two pan, cause they are the only top six / top four guys we have really
Going too go back and view what you said when BM resigned this once promising young nhl defender.Betcha its something completley different than what you are saying here,cough,cough
Oh stop ,our system has always been underated.
Judging by the standings the last nine years... That talent really has not done much... All hype with little actual results
Whom exactly are you comparing our team too??Chicago,LA??Our cup team was a last shot deal ,we eiher won it or had to facedown a complete teardown.We are still looking to find our right core mix for silver ,as 29 other teams will be doing this offseason
When Cowen was first signed to that contract? Yeah, probably wasn't totally against it. Maybe even in favour of it. IIRC I wasn't thrilled about the dollar value given his relative inexperience in the NHL, but at least it wasn't the 8 year deal. And we're talking 3 years ago. Things change.
No, my issue was that Cowen sucked for years and Murray adamantly stood by him, defending him with lines like "he's 6'5, he's gonna be real good" or "he wants to be good." The first year back, coming off injury that made him miss most of the previous season, I could understand. But the 2nd year, where Murray continued to defend him while any value he would have had in a trade dropped like a rock? No. Called for them to trade him then.
This season? No excuses given the hernia surgery, which would have only accounted for his crap play in the latter stages of 2013-14, not how he started out like crap and even at his best for about a month showed he was nothing more than a competent 3rd pairing guy. And look at that, he was crap again. Truly, how shocking
This is the problem with building a team through drafting and devopment ,some guys show promise early and cant build off it .Its going to happen ,even with the supposed best drafting and devlopment teams.But we have had far more sucesses than failures ,and most seem to not realise thisWhen Cowen was first signed to that contract? Yeah, probably wasn't totally against it. Maybe even in favour of it. IIRC I wasn't thrilled about the dollar value given his relative inexperience in the NHL, but at least it wasn't the 8 year deal. And we're talking 3 years ago. Things change.
No, my issue was that Cowen sucked for years and Murray adamantly stood by him, defending him with lines like "he's 6'5, he's gonna be real good" or "he wants to be good." The first year back, coming off injury that made him miss most of the previous season, I could understand. But the 2nd year, where Murray continued to defend him while any value he would have had in a trade dropped like a rock? No. Called for them to trade him then.
This season? No excuses given the hernia surgery, which would have only accounted for his crap play in the latter stages of 2013-14, not how he started out like crap and even at his best for about a month showed he was nothing more than a competent 3rd pairing guy. And look at that, he was crap again. Truly, how shocking
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Which we never did, well, at least not a big part of what helps with a successful rebuild. That involves not just getting younger or that you have enough roster turn over, but also bottoming out so you get really good players with high draft picks. That never happened here. The one year it almost did, the acquisiton of Anderson moved us from contending for the 1st overall pick to 5th last, and then the Devils won the lotto and bumped us to 6th.
Instead the team has been trying to do it without high draft picks, which isn't impossible, but it is more difficult. And when you have an organization that admits it passes on more skilled players, instead opting for guys who have a "dimension" or intangible they feel will help the team win down the road...well, you've got a team drafting for what it needs, which more often doesn't work out.
Sad thing is there is talent on this team. Not much real depth, but there are the makings of a good core. I can only imagine how much better it could be if this team drafted BPA more, which would result in either better depth or being in a better position to trade for specific needs.
Has there been any indication on Dorian and Dave Cameron's relationship?
I'd assume Dorian would like the chance to bring in his own guy (if he isn't close to Cameron).
Will be an interesting off-season for you guys. I'm eager to see what happens. I was shocked you guys were the team that took Phaneuf.
I'd assume Dorian would like the chance to bring in his own guy (if he isn't close to Cameron).
Will be an interesting off-season for you guys. I'm eager to see what happens. I was shocked you guys were the team that took Phaneuf.
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I've been hearing how young we are for years now; it isn't totally accurate.
Ottawa is definitely on the younger end of the spectrum, but really there is only marginal variance in the average age between teams.
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