Proposal: MTL & TAMPA

[TheTriplets]

They are negative value to the Habs and most teams in the league because of the contract they carry and the lack of production. That is irrefutable!

"That is irrefutable!" ?

Genuinely wondering whether you're actually reading my posts, because I literally just pointed out at length why they are NOT have negative value to the Habs and most other teams. I literally explained how their point production and other things they bring to the table justify the contracts they are on.
Are they are cheap bargain deals? No. No one is saying that. But the contracts are adequate.
Would any team overpay to get them? No. No one is saying that. As I said, probably will have to sell them for 70 cents on the dollar, but that's alright.

Also, the JT Miller argument someone else made is pretty much the perfect example for why what line they play on and whether that may cause them to produce just 40 instead of 50 pts or whatever, doesn't matter at all. Pretty sure most playoff teams right now would trade their first for JT Miller, eh?

So the next time you answer to me, please make sure to either come up with some own arguments (instead of "tHeY sUcK, tHat iS IrReFutAblE"") or at the very least take on my arguments. Thanks.

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

The last three season averages:

Gourde 77games 19goals 28assists 47points 0.61ppg
Drouin 62gm 13g 25a 38p 0.61ppg
Domi 78gm 18g 36a 54p 0.69ppg
Gallagher 74gm 29g 21a 50p 0.67ppg
Tatar 77gm 22g 29a 51p 0.66ppg
Danault 68gm 11g 31a 43p 0.61ppg
Armia 65gm 14g 14a 28p 0.43ppg

Even strength scoring
Gourde 15g 23a 38p
Drouin 10g 17a 27p
Domi 16g 27a 43p
Gallagher 24g 16a 40p
Tatar 18g 25a 43p
Danault 11g 27a 38p
Armia 12g 11a 23p

For a supposed small winger Gourde played more games than any of your forwards besides Domi. He has averaged more goals than all but Tatar and Gallagher. He would be 4th in total points average and ppg. He might not be the best forward you have but he would be close to your top forwards. His 5.16AAV may seem high but Tatar and Drouin already make more than that, Tatar will want to make even more after the last two seasons. Domi will be getting much more than that this summer. Danault probably gets more than that and Gallagher will for sure. So you'll be paying all these guys more, except Armia, for slightly better production. Gourde is a very good player who gets paid appropriately. Remember the OP wasn't a lightning fan, we aren't trying to pawn him off on you.

You can throw up as many numbers until you are blue in the face but in the end the Habs don't want to get smaller and gourde would not have numbers like that on the Habs. Lets get real here TB is stacked Habs are not and I am very comfortable saying my Habs aren't very good which is fine but to pluck a small under sized forward and drop him on the Habs and still think he can produce at the same pace he did on his new team because he did it on a stacked team doesn't make any sense at all.

In the end what it comes down to is this the Habs fans don't want to spend 5m in cap space for a player that is under sized because we already have our small players and we need to get bigger. Secondly we don't want to spend the assets it would take to get gourde yes even low picks are an asset. Three gourde does nothing for us in terms of putting us over the top because we aren't a top team to begin with. Also finally we don't want to bail out TB for all these freaking NMC's they have thrown around like candy so on top of you guys trying to get cap space to sign your players you would have to add a hell of a sweetener for us to even think of taking him because in the end we would be spending our precious cap space that we would need to resign our players this includes after the season 21/22 season when we have SEVEN players that need contracts this doesn't include Domi having to be resigned. People just see cap space and want to use it all up right away but if you look at the bigger picture cap space needs to be saved for situations just like this so the Habs can assess there prospects and see who is and isn't doing well and pay them accordingly. If we just go "oh we got cap space lets just take him! hes cheap! we use very little assets to get him!" forget that cap space is a huge asset and should be used sparingly.

Some habs fans have probably said some untrue stuff which is fine for you to defend but there are many reasons Gourde would NOT work as a Hab and please don't bring up "well he speaks french!!!" as an excuse to offload gourde to the Habs because for us sane fans we really don't give a shit what language a player speaks as long as they do well on the ice.

 

[ole ole]

Also, Gourde would only be top 10 point player for a team on a very few teams in league. Montreal is one of them.

Wow nice to know you can predict the future.
Can you pinpoint on exactly how many points he would end up with next season on the Habs.
Maybe you should try seeing the other teems need. Gourde brings nothing to the Habs that they don't have.
I guess reading isn't your strong point either.

 

[ole ole]

The last three season averages:


77games 19goals 28assists 47points 0.61ppg
Drouin 62gm 13g 25a 38p 0.61ppg
Domi 78gm 18g 36a 54p 0.69ppg
Gallagher 74gm 29g 21a 50p 0.67ppg
Tatar 77gm 22g 29a 51p 0.66ppg
Danault 68gm 11g 31a 43p 0.61ppg
Armia 65gm 14g 14a 28p 0.43ppg

Even strength scoring
Gourde 15g 23a 38p
Drouin 10g 17a 27p
Domi 16g 27a 43p
Gallagher 24g 16a 40p
Tatar 18g 25a 43p
Danault 11g 27a 38p
Armia 12g 11a 23p

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OK
,Gourde last 3 seasons
17/18-----82 Games-------64 pts
18/19-----80 Games-------48 pts
19/20-----70 Games.........30 pts.
See the trend. Seems his career is going in a down spiral.Please explain his big drop of production.
Do you really think that a player going in the direction is worth assets from a team that has no space for him.
We have no interest in a dime a dozen player especially one that with what it seems on a terrible contract and then want assets for him.
That's a BIG EASY NO from the Habs.

 

[ole ole]

He's playing with Cedric Paquette and Patrick Maroon. You are saying you can't do better than that?

The yr he got 64 pts they came mostly playing with point. Not hard to check.
The next season ,drop of production with 48 pts but still most of his points came when on with ,Point,Stamkos,or PP
last season he production practically disappeared.Why because he didn't have players like Point,Stamkos Kucherov or PP to help pad his stats.

 

[HoseEmDown]

OK
,Gourde last 3 seasons
17/18-----82 Games-------64 pts
18/19-----80 Games-------48 pts
19/20-----70 Games.........30 pts.
See the trend. Seems his career is going in a down spiral.Please explain his big drop of production.
Do you really think that a player going in the direction is worth assets from a team that has no space for him.
We have no interest in a dime a dozen player especially one that with what it seems on a terrible contract and then want assets for him.
That's a BIG EASY NO from the Habs.

In 17/18 we had a 21 year old C in his second season that we wanted to try out as 2C but needed a strong winger to help him at both ends of the ice. So we paired Gourde with Brayden Point and Point not only became a 2C he became a 1C.

In 18/19 we had a 21 year old C in his second season that we wanted to try out as a 3C but needed a strong winger to help him at both ends of the ice. So we paired Gourde with Anthony Cirelli and Cirelli not only became a 3C he became a 2C.

In 19/20 we didn't have any young centers to groom. Gourde started the year pretty well with 17 points in the first 32 games but the team was struggling a bit, especially the 4th line. We asked Gourde to play on the 4th line with Maroon and Pacquette and the 4th line then became a physical shutdown line that helped get the team back on track. He went through a scoring slump since they were asked to play a defensive role but as the season went on he finished strong with 11 points in the last 16 games.

His point totals aren't a drop in production its him being asked to play in different roles and doing well in those roles. Those roles aren't all just go out and score, we have plenty of other players for that. We need to prevent goals too and he's very good with puck possession and shot suppression. He's a versatile winger that can play on any line and he helps his linemates reach their potential.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

In 17/18 we had a 21 year old C in his second season that we wanted to try out as 2C but needed a strong winger to help him at both ends of the ice. So we paired Gourde with Brayden Point and Point not only became a 2C he became a 1C.

In 18/19 we had a 21 year old C in his second season that we wanted to try out as a 3C but needed a strong winger to help him at both ends of the ice. So we paired Gourde with Anthony Cirelli and Cirelli not only became a 3C he became a 2C.

In 19/20 we didn't have any young centers to groom. Gourde started the year pretty well with 17 points in the first 32 games but the team was struggling a bit, especially the 4th line. We asked Gourde to play on the 4th line with Maroon and Pacquette and the 4th line then became a physical shutdown line that helped get the team back on track. He went through a scoring slump since they were asked to play a defensive role but as the season went on he finished strong with 11 points in the last 16 games.

His point totals aren't a drop in production its him being asked to play in different roles and doing well in those roles. Those roles aren't all just go out and score, we have plenty of other players for that. We need to prevent goals too and he's very good with puck possession and shot suppression. He's a versatile winger that can play on any line and he helps his linemates reach their potential.

Not good enough for Habs fans. They want to square peg, round hole types of players.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Wow nice to know you can predict the future.
Can you pinpoint on exactly how many points he would end up with next season on the Habs.
Maybe you should try seeing the other teems need. Gourde brings nothing to the Habs that they don't have.
I guess reading isn't your strong point either.

Future, that's right now. Look it up.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

The yr he got 64 pts they came mostly playing with point. Not hard to check.
The next season ,drop of production with 48 pts but still most of his points came when on with ,Point,Stamkos,or PP
last season he production practically disappeared.Why because he didn't have players like Point,Stamkos Kucherov or PP to help pad his stats.

This was answered by Hose.

 

[ole ole]

This was answered by Hose.

No all i saw was excuse. Like one poster said we haven't got s BP for Gourde to leach off of.
He,d be a 30 pt forward on the Habs and we are not interested in paying 5.5 mil for a 30 pt player. We have enough of them and paying them a lot less.

 

[ole ole]

Not good enough for Habs fans. They want to square peg, round hole types of players.

30 pt forwards are a dime a dozen.He's good enough for the Habs and it seems he's not good enough for any other team.

 

[Halla]

Lekhonen can easely replace Gourde on the third Line.
Poehling is a #25 OV 2018 and should become a 3rd liner center in the NHL.

debateable. he just had a measly 13pts in the AHL in 36 games and looked like a ghost of the hattrick vs the leafs prospect with only 2pts in 27 games.

probably 50/50 to be a bottom 6er and a longshot to be top 6.

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

debateable. he just had a measly 13pts in the AHL in 36 games and looked like a ghost of the hattrick vs the leafs prospect with only 2pts in 27 games.

probably 50/50 to be a bottom 6er and a longshot to be top 6.

I rather take that 50/50 odds then pay Gourde 5.5m a year thats for damn sure also why are the Habs doing TB a favor in giving them cap space to begin with without any kind of sweetener? Hell let me copy and paste what i wrote that pretty much sums up every reason the habs dont want gourde and wont be a fit for us.

In the end what it comes down to is this the Habs fans don't want to spend 5m in cap space for a player that is under sized because we already have our small players and we need to get bigger. Secondly we don't want to spend the assets it would take to get gourde yes even low picks are an asset. Three gourde does nothing for us in terms of putting us over the top because we aren't a top team to begin with. Also finally we don't want to bail out TB for all these freaking NMC's they have thrown around like candy so on top of you guys trying to get cap space to sign your players you would have to add a hell of a sweetener for us to even think of taking him because in the end we would be spending our precious cap space that we would need to resign our players this includes after the season 21/22 season when we have SEVEN players that need contracts this doesn't include Domi having to be resigned. People just see cap space and want to use it all up right away but if you look at the bigger picture cap space needs to be saved for situations just like this so the Habs can assess there prospects and see who is and isn't doing well and pay them accordingly. If we just go "oh we got cap space lets just take him! hes cheap! we use very little assets to get him!" forget that cap space is a huge asset and should be used sparingly.

Some habs fans have probably said some untrue stuff which is fine for you to defend but there are many reasons Gourde would NOT work as a Hab and please don't bring up "well he speaks french!!!" as an excuse to offload gourde to the Habs because for us sane fans we really don't give a shit what language a player speaks as long as they do well on the ice.

Please read TB fans this is not a damn knock on Gourde he just doesn't f***ing fit into the habs line up we need top end gaming breaking talent....

 

[Baksfamous112]

30 pt forwards are a dime a dozen.He's good enough for the Habs and it seems he's not good enough for any other team.

He was their most likely buyout candidate if an amnesty buyout was going to be offered to teams and now he’s the perfect fit for Montreal. Talk about shoving a player down our throat