CHaracter79
Registered User
- Apr 21, 2014
- 2,434
- 114
talbot has had one good year in his career.and is actually older then price.
people out there always looking for the freshest muffins
Confirmed Signing with Link: [MTL] Carey Price extended (8 years, $10.5M AAV)
- Thread starter Braun
- Start date
- Status
talbot has had one good year in his career.and is actually older then price.
people out there always looking for the freshest muffins
I disagree with this on one condition.
The situation is completely salvageable like I mentioned on the Habs board on Sunday... but the only thing to salvage it is new management, new player development and scouting staff, and a competent GM who can address our needs and build from within. Better scouts turning our picks into better selections, better player development to help them fulfill their potential or even surpass it so they can eventually become main roster contributors OR used to flip in trades (because they'd actually have value) to fill holes.
None of that will happen under Bergevin, but it's a salvageable situation under a new regime if it happened quick.
I wouldn't be completely surprised if the Habs crashed and burned this season, though, even with a healthy Price and got a top pick.
Critical13
Fear is the mind-killer.
Talbot has now had 4 good seasons, and was excellent in the playoffs.
He won't get a Carey Price deal, but I could see him in the Tukka Rask range.
CHaracter79
Registered User
- Apr 21, 2014
- 2,434
- 114
Talbot has been a starting goalie for 2 seasons and last season was his first with a 500 or more record.
the previous year he had .917 SV%
bert
Registered User
I am a sens fan I have no emotions about it. He is the best in the world at his position, you saw what happened to Montreal when he was hurt. A blanket statement like the one you just made doesnt add up, what are they supposed to do just let him walk? He is the best player on the team and gives them a chance every night. I thought he was going to get like the 11/12 million range.
The term isnt even bad, elite goaltenders can play until they are 40 years old. That cap hit in 5 years could look like a bargain for a player of his stature. He isnt done improving, his mental game will still get tougher and so will his hockey sens and puck tracking ability.
Tom ServoMST3K
In search of a Steinbach Hero
The point is, you can get 0.915+ goaltending in this league for cheap. Price's 0.920+ is 8 goals a year on average.
Replace Talbot with Joe Goalie, on a 5 year 7.5 million dollar contract.
That's $300,000 per goal compared to Price's current contract.
bert
Registered User
Its nice to break it down like that but first of all there arent a bunch of talbots just sitting there to sign. Second of all Price brings a leadership, pedigree and intimidation factor that very few goaltenders can impose. He also can make outrageous game changing saves, that can swing momentum on top of being debatably the best puck mover out there which allows Montreals D core to not get hemmed in the zone.
Tom ServoMST3K
In search of a Steinbach Hero
That would show up in SV%
You're talking to a Jets fan. Pavelec's highlight reel makes him seem like an elite goalie, so outrageous saves do nothing for me.
In the trapezoid era, puck moving goalies mean a lot less. (Don't get me started on the trapezoid. I hate it so much.)
Goalies have one job: Stop the effing puck. If you're a 0.920 goalie you're one of the best. If you're 0.915, you're league average. If you're 0.905 or below you're garbage tier.
This is pointless. It's a contract that couldn't have turned out any other way, and Price deserves it for his performances. It just stings the Canadiens, because you can get similar goaltending for a lot less.
Last edited:
Burke the Legend
Registered User
- Feb 22, 2012
- 8,317
- 2,850
Barely above league average save % for 2 seasons and he's going to get like 6-7$ million and people are acting like he's the greatest? I mean good for Cam but let's not act like Carey's 500+ vs Cam's 200 GP don't mean something, and Price's last 4 years have been all-star level performance in league.
Not saying there's not risk in Price, there's risk in any contract but at most its a 1$ million or so overpayment and prime age all stars are going to get their 8 years so it's a risk the Canadiens have to take because the alternative of letting him go and then going into the goaltending roullete table for the next few years is not acceptable.
The gamble does have upside though because we know Price probably more than any goalie in the league is capable of a Conn Smythe winning performance.
Burke the Legend
Registered User
- Feb 22, 2012
- 8,317
- 2,850
Ducks in a row
Go Ducks Quack Quack
10.5 million cap hit for a goalie. That is in the tier of highest cap hit players in the NHL and those other players have won championships. Price hasn't even made it to the Stanley Cup finals yet and his playoffs numbers in his career are worse then regular season. Giving a goalie 10.5 million cap hit is overpayment. He has the highest cap hit in the NHL from a goalie. A team shouldn't spend that much on a goalie.
I’m always amazed at these contracts, of course this one is a stinker, but it’s the cost of getting Price for 4 or so serviceable years after his current deal… the remainder is the cost of doing business – in a non-cap situation they would only pay him for the years they want him, which isn’t 8.
The facts are the facts, only 4 goaltenders older than 29 have won Vezina in the last 35 years and going back and looking at every goaltender over the last 35 years the stats show that after 33 goaltenders older than that age have a save percentage no better than 22 year olds, which is to say, below league average.
This is how many goaltenders over 33 have played at least 20 games in the last few years
16/17 – 7
15/16 – 3
14/15 – 2
13/14 – 5
12/13 – 5
On average about 90 goaltenders see action any given year.
The facts are the facts, only 4 goaltenders older than 29 have won Vezina in the last 35 years and going back and looking at every goaltender over the last 35 years the stats show that after 33 goaltenders older than that age have a save percentage no better than 22 year olds, which is to say, below league average.
This is how many goaltenders over 33 have played at least 20 games in the last few years
16/17 – 7
15/16 – 3
14/15 – 2
13/14 – 5
12/13 – 5
On average about 90 goaltenders see action any given year.
optimus2861
Registered User
Which won't happen under Molson. Bergevin is probably safe for at least two more seasons, since he's got Price's ink on a fresh new extension and traded for a young marketable francophone. The Habs will putter along near the top of the Atlantic and have a couple more 1st/2nd round exits along the way, all as Weber & Price get older and anything resembling a development pipeline shrivels up to nothing (unbelievable that Lefebvre is returning as AHL coach).
They're mediocre-good in the short term, completely toast in the long term. No hope of Cup contention for another generation, probably. Sad.
Butch 19
Go cart Mozart
You don't see a difference between the league's best C at the age of 20 getting 13m and a very good 29 yr old goalie getting 10.5.... for 10 years? And per below you think 12m would have been okay...??
So Price at 10.5 is an underpayment? Should he have held out for more?
You don't see a difference between the league's best C at the age of 20 getting 13m and a very good 29 yr old goalie getting 10.5.... for 10 years? And per below you think 12m would have been okay...??
So Price at 10.5 is an underpayment? Should he have held out for more?
He took a hometown discount. He would 100% get 12m+ as a FA. Goaltending is actually the most important position on the team and Price is the best by far. And he's just about to hit his prime.
LOL you'd think the Brodeurs and Roys had never existed the way people talk about goalies these days. History is littered with mediocre teams winning cups because of great goaltending, Pittsburgh being the latest.
He's going to be wearing cup rings when he re-signs for more than 10.5 in 8 years from now.
Edit: or maybe we trade him before july 1st for a huge package if one of our amazing goalie prospects looks to be the real deal. He is the habs biggest asset by far after all.
Last edited:
CHaracter79
Registered User
- Apr 21, 2014
- 2,434
- 114
I ask you simply.. if PRice was the goalie in EDM same roster otherwise.. would they be a better team or worse?
would it not help them be more intimidating?
Rangers were one of the highest scoring teams in the league and scored only 13 goals against price in 6 playoff games?
they scored 21 against ottawa the following series. Price is dominant. HE is much more then stats on paper. Teams tense up, grip their stick tighter.. over think their moves try to aim more, pick the corners.. etc
CHaracter79
Registered User
- Apr 21, 2014
- 2,434
- 114
sure but Hasek and BRodeur both have their highest win totals at the age of 38 or higher.
Luongo had one of his better seasons at 37
Brodeur made it to the finals at 39
Elite goaltending is another thing
Aceboogie
Registered User
- Aug 25, 2012
- 32,649
- 3,896
This is a tough contract and spot to be in. Tough to deal a soon to be UFA goalie and get anywhere near fair value (especially given goalie market). Not to mention this is your franchise goalie/player, there would be severe fan/media backlash that could cost a GM his job + sink franchise for next 5 years given a lesser return. So you basicallu have to give him what hes asking for
If you only take into consideration his play then maybe 7 mil is closer to what hes going to bring over next 4/5 years ( I think hes a bit overrated to begin with but still top 5 goalie in league, just 10 mil better get you a player that will single handily win you series/ a cup). BUT there is other considerations. 10 mil wont cripple them now and hes still a top goalie. So by signing this deal, MB guarantees his short term future as GM as well as gives the team a chance to win. But kind of screws them in the future. But thats not his issue as highly unlikely hes here in 5 years (not many GMs last 5-10 years). Plus in future any contract can be traded, Lundqvuists deal was still tradeable last 2/3 years even when he was regressing
He made the neccessary move but robbed future to pay for present
If you only take into consideration his play then maybe 7 mil is closer to what hes going to bring over next 4/5 years ( I think hes a bit overrated to begin with but still top 5 goalie in league, just 10 mil better get you a player that will single handily win you series/ a cup). BUT there is other considerations. 10 mil wont cripple them now and hes still a top goalie. So by signing this deal, MB guarantees his short term future as GM as well as gives the team a chance to win. But kind of screws them in the future. But thats not his issue as highly unlikely hes here in 5 years (not many GMs last 5-10 years). Plus in future any contract can be traded, Lundqvuists deal was still tradeable last 2/3 years even when he was regressing
He made the neccessary move but robbed future to pay for present
1909
Registered User
- Jul 6, 2016
- 20,690
- 11,287
It was too early to re-sign him.
The contract is too long and too expensive.
Bergevin is crashing the plane big time in Montreal.
Tom ServoMST3K
In search of a Steinbach Hero
If Price was affecting other teams in that way, it would show up in his stats wouldn't it?
I don't know why I'm even trying. There's nothing I can show you to convince you.
If you see goalies, as I do, as one giant number (SV%) then you probably don't like this deal.
If you see goalies as more than that, as a player who can bring intangible benefits to a team, then you probably like this deal.
I don't even hate the deal. In a perfect world, I think goalies should get contracts like this, but the quality of the average goalie in the NHL has gone so far up, that Elite goaltending isn't really worth breaking the bank for. Also, as long as the cap continues to rise, as it has for the past few years, then there will be nothing wrong with this contract. I just see cap growth stagnating, and this contract hampering the habs.
Aceboogie
Registered User
- Aug 25, 2012
- 32,649
- 3,896
Talbot actually had a higher GSAA than Price this year (2nd in league for goalies) and GSAA takes into consideration difficulty of shots faced (Edmonton gave up more high danger chances). So Talbots year is even better than his raw sv% when this is taken in consideration. Oilers would have been better with Talbot this year
Moot point to compare the 2 tho as Price has 5+ years as a franchise goalie that needed to be paid for. Talbot was a 2 year starter with 1 elite year. If he keeps this up, hell be getting a ton as a UFA
KingWantsCup
#FightLikeHell
This is the kind of deal where the Habs will be thankful for years where they just get even value out of Price.
- Status
