Proposal: Mtl / Cal
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Waiting to know the result of TC investigation before I'd pull the trigger on that one.
Captain97
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Hoffman at best has neutral value at best.
Bjorkstrand was just traded for a 2nd + 3rd and he is the far better/younger player.
Edit: I was wrong. It was a 3rd and 4th not 2nd and 3rd.
Bjorkstrand was just traded for a 2nd + 3rd and he is the far better/younger player.
Edit: I was wrong. It was a 3rd and 4th not 2nd and 3rd.
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Ledge And Dairy
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No interest in Hoffman, he might get perma benched by Sutter in Calgary. I doubt anyone wants to trade for someone currently tied to the 2018 team Canada scandal right now though
Hoffman definitely has negative value right now, I imagine Calgary says no. Even if you think he doesn't, why would Calgary trade a cheaper player that is 8 years younger and put up similar numbers last year? I know Hoffman has put up bigger numbers in the past and could rebound, but it seems incredibly risky for the Flames even ignoring the possible cap problems that it could give them in re-signing Mangiapane and Kylington this year and potentially re-signing Huberdeau and Weegar next year.
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Both teams say no. Calgary doesn't want to get older when they may be heading into an involuntary rebuild, and Montreal won't trade for anyone involved in the Team Canada investigation.
Some of you Habs fans need to get with the program. Your team is tanking and there is no reason to pay teams to take a Hoffman or Savard off your hands.
It will cost more than you want or should pay to trade a Hoffman. It would cost you something like Barron to trade Hoffman. Just stomach the bad contracts a few more years, make your lottery picks and see you in 2025 as a potential playoff team.
It will cost more than you want or should pay to trade a Hoffman. It would cost you something like Barron to trade Hoffman. Just stomach the bad contracts a few more years, make your lottery picks and see you in 2025 as a potential playoff team.
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Hoffman and Savard aren't the same btw.
No wouldn't cost Barron to dump Hoffman either.
Yes we will run their contracts until they end or they have little value as expiring contracts come tdl
pth2
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I'm finding fans expect to get a lot for their cap space... Buying out Mason got the Habs a stalled Armia ( 29 point guy, 7 years after his draft year), a 4th and a 7th. I know cap space is tight but sometimes expectations are unreasonable...
Very different cap environment than today. Teams wanted the Flyers 2023 1st unprotected to take on one year of JVR. Not the year to be dumping cap unless you absolutely have to. No to Hoffman for Dube. Dube is a guy I'd target as a break out candidate if I was other clubs though. Lethal speed and good shot, could score 25 soon.
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No way.
Hoffman is turning 33 and looks done, coming off a 35 point season. Hoffman, in his prime, was a great goal scorer who was poor defensively. Now he seems to have lost his goal scoring talent.
Dube's value is quickly dropping too, but he's half the price of Hoffman.
Calgary is in no position to help teams out with cap.
Hoffman is turning 33 and looks done, coming off a 35 point season. Hoffman, in his prime, was a great goal scorer who was poor defensively. Now he seems to have lost his goal scoring talent.
Dube's value is quickly dropping too, but he's half the price of Hoffman.
Calgary is in no position to help teams out with cap.
Dumping Nemeth, a guy who makes a little over half of what Hoffman does, cost a 2nd and a 3rd less than a month ago which is a much better comparable for the current market. Kassian cost a 2nd, a 3rd and 3 spots at the end of the 1st.I think you're underestimating the cost of cap space in the current market.
That being said, I don't think the Habs are going to be paying anybody to take on their cap dumps. They'll squeak in under the cap as they are and unless they wildly outperform expectations they aren't going to be looking to take on any salary.
pth2
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I have no illusion that Hoffman holds value, but his contract is ok, and like most Habs his numbers looked worse than they should last season.
I think it would cost more than Barron. I should have said Barron +. This idea any tr would help the Habs out and take on bad contracts is silly. They won’t. They’ll rip your face off if Hughes is stupid enough to execute a cap dump trade.
Habs have a ton of bad contracts and no buyers for them. So just hold them and play Hoffman. Maybe he’ll play better.
And if not, retain 50% and take whatever is offered at the TDL in the year he’s expiring.
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Habs Halifax
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Glad to see your moving from "Habs fans" to "Some of you Habs fans" with your narratives. But you need to move a bit more yet. How many Habs fans do you see supporting this trade? Look in the mirror a bit more with your Habs hate bud. Your're almost there... don't stop now.
How about you talk directly to the ones who think this is a good trade? Might be a better play for you vs trying to group people
Habs Halifax
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It's a bad time to try to move out salary but it's a good time for you to jump on the Habs with the bad contract narratives and ignore the flat cap issues.
You whine too much. Habs have a lot of bad contracts.
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That was 2018. There has been a very significant change in the leagues economics since that deal. The cap has gone flat, escrow is higher than ever and cap space is at more of a premium. Using the 2018 Mason trade does not reflect the current financial landscape of the league.
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