Confirmed Trade: [MTL/ARI] Christian Dvorak for 2022 1st round pick and 2024 2nd round pick

[Goal Caufield50]

Can't tell if you just can't write properly, or what...what exactly are you trying to say in that sentence [the only I originally quoted]?

He is saying you might be thought of as a real clown

 

[glenbuis]

Practically the only way Carolina can get the number 2 is if Montreal gets number one and the number two in the lottery. Ridiculous comment

carolina isn't getting anything . arizona will receive the better pick only if it's from number 11 down to 32

anything from 10 to number 1 montreal gets the better one

 

[buddahsmoka1]

I was answering Kaizen's notion that Evans sucked "because he couldn't keep his head up".

Ah, I interpreted it as you suggesting as such. Sorry, we agree.

 

[hbk]

So which of the following teams are going to pass Montreal in standings this season:

Arizona
Buffalo
kings
Ducks
Sharks
Sens
Blue Jackets
red Wings
flames
Devils

 

[glenbuis]

A Leaf fan mocking another fanbase for not having a "competent GM!"

Holy crap that's funny!

unbelievable

 

[Habsddicted]

With his career high 18 goals? I doubt it.

You do know Danault never reached that number, right..?

 

[glenbuis]

It won't happen, but what happens if both are top ten?

montreal gets the better one

 

[Goal Caufield50]

carolina isn't getting anything . arizona will receive the better pick only if it's from number 11 down to 32

anything from 10 to number 1 montreal gets the better one

Correct it is Arizona, apologies

 

[Cloned]

Not sure what all this is supposed to mean in reply to my post about the 3 being good players, you just stated random facts/pretty reasonable, imo, subjective opinions?

Or maybe 35 point seasons, sharp declines in PPG from seasons past with specific teams, and being arguably one of the most, if not the most overrated players makes players "bad", and this is understood. If so, again, I think I don't understand what good means. I'm under the impression Keller, Kessel, and Hall are good hockey players. I also don't disagree with anything you said. Not sure if it was meant to imply they aren't good, if so... how does that work exactly?

I can think of a lot of good players that are overrated, or a lot of good players who have had 35 point seasons, or a lot of good players who previously played in Pittsburgh, continued their career elsewhere, ended up having a big decline, and were all good players. It's a very oddly specific criteria imo. Especially the being overrated part. It's weird that if a lot of people think someone is better than they are, that they are not good. Unless you were just stating random facts and opinions for no reason in reply, in which case okay, I guess, thanks for sharing that info. I agree with it.

That’s a lot of typing without really saying much.

If you started three polls here asking if Keller, Kessel and Hall are good players, I’d imagine only Hall might be considered one.

 

[Divine]

You do know Danault never reached that number, right..?

Danault also didn't get PP time or lead his team in ice time like Dvorak

 

[rt]

So which of the following teams are going to pass Montreal in standings this season:

Arizona
Buffalo
kings
Ducks
Sharks
Sens
Blue Jackets
red Wings
flames
Devils

None.

 

[Goal Caufield50]

They lost a 21-year-old 6'2 center that they selected with a lottery pick three years ago and then proceeded to use the pick received as compensation to acquire a 26 year old who helps them be a bubble team over the next four seasons.

'Cost controlled' is such a buzzword. Particularly when the team is essentially capped out over the next three seasons. What is Marc Bergevin even doing?

Did you know your 21 year old had 5 goals and 20 points? Falls down like Bambi on ice? Was sheltered because he needed to be? $6.2mm is not cost controlled against a 20 point player who was scratched in the biggest game of the season

 

[rt]

It won't happen, but what happens if both are top ten?

Az gets the later or the two

 

[HabsAddict]

Did you know your 21 year old had 5 goals and 20 points? Falls down like Bambi on ice? Was sheltered because he needed to be? $6.2mm is not cost controlled against a 20 point player who was scratched in the biggest game of the season

Sheltered? Julien treated Kk like a favorite child in the first year. Kept him out of tough situations and tough assignments. Then when he was given a regular role in ghe second year, he fell dead flat on his face and had to be sent to the AHL.

Yet here we are with...how great he played in the first year. I guess nobody actually watched him play and simply looked up his stats to build a baseless argument.

 

[belair]

Did you know your 21 year old had 5 goals and 20 points? Falls down like Bambi on ice? Was sheltered because he needed to be? $6.2mm is not cost controlled against a 20 point player who was scratched in the biggest game of the season

My team's Finnish prospect fell down like Bambi, too. Til he came back from a year in Karpat and developed man strength.

The only reason that offer-sheet was made possible was because of how your team managed the player. And now they've got a soon-to-be 26-year-old second line center with a career high of 38 points to show for it.

As a fan of the team, you really need to ask if that's the trajectory you want your team to take. What's Bergevin even building?

 

[byrath]

So which of the following teams are going to pass Montreal in standings this season:

Arizona
Buffalo
kings
Ducks
Sharks
Sens
Blue Jackets
red Wings
flames
Devils

I'd say Flames and Kings could, the others would be big longshots. Habs will probably also be better than a few teams not on that list though.

 

[SakuKoivu11]

Dvorak may not be flashy but he’s producing at 2nd liner would witH a third liner salary.

 

[Goal Caufield50]

My team's Finnish prospect fell down like Bambi, too. Til he came back from a year in Karpat and developed man strength.

The only reason that offer-sheet was made possible was because of how your team managed the player. And now they've got a soon-to-be 26-year-old second line center with a career high of 38 points to show for it.

As a fan of the team, you really need to ask if that's the trajectory you want your team to take. What's Bergevin even building?

Montreal was in the finals last year. Looks like he built a winning team

 

[belair]

Montreal was in the finals last year. Looks like he built a winning team

They were under 0.500 last year. Not only did the get weaker in the off-season, they're going back into the Atlantic division.

 

[Guttersniped]

So which of the following teams are going to pass Montreal in standings this season:

Arizona
Buffalo
kings
Ducks
Sharks
Sens
Blue Jackets
red Wings
flames
Devils

There’s two lotteries for non-playoff teams and the Habs or Canes can jump 10 spots if they miss the playoffs, so that’s presumably what the protection is for.

San Jose didn’t think it was trading 3OA away but they did.

 

[The don godfather]

So a 20th and a 50th pick is the approximate price give or take, noting a minimum of ten bad teams in the league. The 50th is in 2023 so in some camps a near third pick due to the deferral. You get a cost controlled 25 year old center who can play pp and pk , good on face offs , decent size and can by all accounts plays a 200 foot game. Tell me, for the love of god, what do you think the price should be??

A 1st and a 2nd for a 25 yr old center who topped 38 points has a high in his career. I take those picks and run.

 

[Habsddicted]

Danault also didn't get PP time or lead his team in ice time like Dvorak

Less then 2 minutes difference in average icetime per game, without powerplay time, what's your point?

 

[Runner77]

owners shouldn’t be making hockey moves good luck with that Carolina

Owners shouldn’t be appointing themselves as hockey executives either, but c’est la vie when it comes to hockey man Geoff.

 

[Goal Caufield50]

They were under 0.500 last year. Not only did the get weaker in the off-season, they're going back into the Atlantic division.

Funny how they did beat those other teams

 

[Runner77]

It's simple. If KK stayed in Montreal I fully expected him to have improved offensive stats. Why? Because he would have been our full-time 2nd C with respected 2nd line wingers, which he hasn't been prior. But now he's with Carolina where, most likely he won't be a 2nd C with 2nd line wingers. He may be a 2nd line winger though so who knows how he'll do, albeit, so far, he hasn't played well as a winger. Who knows, he may thrive in that position with his new team.
Dvorak will take over the position that KK would have been in if he stayed a Hab. I.e. full-time 2nd line C. so, assuming what I read is correct, just like KK probably would have, I would think Dvorak will improve his offensive stats for the same reason.
Now, with that said, KK has a much better upside, so I wish we kept him but life throws curve balls and MB shat the bed. Considering the mess he got himself into, I think he did alright. I wish he just kept his picks though and tanked and see what those picks might have become though.

You really believe KK would have been used as a full time 2nd line C in Montreal next season had this week’s outcome not happened? Successive head coaches and management did not trust KK.

Remember that directive to scratch KK for the first two games of this summer’s playoffs and how it was announced as a unanimous decision by all coaches and management? Deck was stacked against KK, it would have been yet another uphill battle had he stayed. Montreal can be a brutal environment for young players.