Speculation: More Players who need to be protected in an expansion draft.

[PatrikOverAuston]

Don't worry Isles fans, Edmonton will help you out. Mark Fayne + 3rd 2017 + 2nd 2018 for Boychuk. You get to keep Nelson and get out from under the Boychuk contract four years sooner while paying less in the interim. Deal?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

They could protect all 5 D, along with Tavares, Ladd, and Strome.

That would leave Nelson available. Depends on who they'd rather lose. Nelson, Strome, or 1 of the defenceman.

Unless something changed when I wasn't looking the choices are 3D + 7F or 4D +4F. There is no option to protect 5D.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

Unless something changed when I wasn't looking the choices are 3D + 7F or 4D +4F. There is no option to protect 5D.

It's 8 skaters, regardless of position.

 

[burrythebiscuit*]

Exactly the only impactful D i could see Holland moving Mantha for would be like Shattenkirk or possibly Trouba maybe Barrie other then that you have to protect him at all cost.

I'm not moving Mantha for shattenkirk without an extension. And Barrie for Mantha is insane. Undersized dman that has some compareables in our system like vili and hicketts for a huge power forward that has the upside to be worth a lot. The wings are not in a good trading spot for what's available. Holland is losing out on everyone available worth the cost. Barrie, shattenkirk do not make Detroit a better team for the price you'd have to give up

 

[Canada4Gold]

Unless something changed when I wasn't looking the choices are 3D + 7F or 4D +4F. There is no option to protect 5D.

8 skaters + 1G is the option. You could protect 8 D and 0 forwards if you wanted to.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I wouldn't doubt if Isles trade one of their forwards... like Strome or Nelson or someone

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I'm not moving Mantha for shattenkirk without an extension. And Barrie for Mantha is insane. Undersized dman that has some compareables in our system like vili and hicketts for a huge power forward that has the upside to be worth a lot. The wings are not in a good trading spot for what's available. Holland is losing out on everyone available worth the cost. Barrie, shattenkirk do not make Detroit a better team for the price you'd have to give up

Well ya you only include Mantha in a deal for Shattenkirk if an extension is included. Should've included that part. And i agree i wouldn't give up Mantha for an undersized Barrie either just saying that Sakic could ask for him in a Barrie swap and Holland would laugh at him and hang up the phone. I kind off hate that both Mantha and AA are most likely going to be playing in Grand Rapids this year barring any injuries they need to be playing that's the only way to increase their value here.

 

[JetsHomer]

Exactly the only impactful D i could see Holland moving Mantha for would be like Shattenkirk or possibly Trouba maybe Barrie other then that you have to protect him at all cost.

Mantha is nowhere close to any of those players in value.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

This depending on the return for a D man either Mantha is protected or traded.

How about a nice three-way:

To Detroit- Shattenkirk's rights, Edmonton 3rd 2017, Edmonton 2nd 2018
To St. Louis- Anthony Mantha, Teemu Pulkkinen
To Edmonton- Mike Green

Detroit runs with Kronwall-Shattenkirk/Ericsson-DeKeyser/Smith-Marchenko, Oilers get their puckmover, and the Blues add a pair of winger prospects for a player one year from UFA.

 

[Juxtaposer]

How about a nice three-way:

To Detroit- Shattenkirk's rights, Edmonton 3rd 2017, Edmonton 2nd 2018
To St. Louis- Anthony Mantha, Teemu Pulkkinen
To Edmonton- Mike Green

Detroit runs with Kronwall-Shattenkirk/Ericsson-DeKeyser/Smith-Marchenko, Oilers get their puckmover, and the Blues add a pair of winger prospects for a player one year from UFA.

So Edmonton gets Green for a 2nd and 3rd? Nice try, EdmontonExpress.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

So Edmonton gets Green for a 2nd and 3rd? Nice try, EdmontonExpress.

For Detroit to get a long-term solution to their defence while off-loading the Green contract without any sort of retention is a net boon for the Wings. They can't possibly afford both he and Shattenkirk. Even if they could, it's a good bet they'd lose a better player in the expansion draft due to protection limits. All things considered, Shattenkirk + 2nd + 3rd for Green + Mantha + Pulkkinen is a perfectly reasonable swap.

 

[BruinsBtn]

Is there are no-trade window ahead of the expansion draft? It would be irritating for Las Vegas if teams started pulling off trades 15 minutes ahead of the draft.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Gonna see a lot more trades during the season and at the deadline this year.

 

[tony d]

Going to be fun watching the expansion draft and seeing who gets picked.

 

[burrythebiscuit*]

Well ya you only include Mantha in a deal for Shattenkirk if an extension is included. Should've included that part. And i agree i wouldn't give up Mantha for an undersized Barrie either just saying that Sakic could ask for him in a Barrie swap and Holland would laugh at him and hang up the phone. I kind off hate that both Mantha and AA are most likely going to be playing in Grand Rapids this year barring any injuries they need to be playing that's the only way to increase their value here.

Very true. I'm my honest opinion Holland's better signings are out weighed by his bad ones. Once again. AA definitely should be on this roster. It's a shame at this point . I think we are in some trouble

 

[burrythebiscuit*]

Mantha is nowhere close to any of those players in value.

Hah! What a joke

 

[Fear]

Well ya you only include Mantha in a deal for Shattenkirk if an extension is included. Should've included that part. And i agree i wouldn't give up Mantha for an undersized Barrie either just saying that Sakic could ask for him in a Barrie swap and Holland would laugh at him and hang up the phone. I kind off hate that both Mantha and AA are most likely going to be playing in Grand Rapids this year barring any injuries they need to be playing that's the only way to increase their value here.

I don't know if you guys are either severely overrating Mantha or severly underrating Barrie ...

Only 7 defensemen put up 100 points in the past 2 years: Karlsson, Burns, Letang, Josi, Subban, Giordano, Barrie.

If Mantha was the main piece coming back for Barrie someone would laugh and hang up, and it wouldn't be Holland

 

[Maukkis]

How about a nice three-way:

To Detroit- Shattenkirk's rights, Edmonton 3rd 2017, Edmonton 2nd 2018
To St. Louis- Anthony Mantha, Teemu Pulkkinen
To Edmonton- Mike Green

Detroit runs with Kronwall-Shattenkirk/Ericsson-DeKeyser/Smith-Marchenko, Oilers get their puckmover, and the Blues add a pair of winger prospects for a player one year from UFA.

First off, Shattenkirk is under contract, so you're a bit too early with trading his rights. Secondly, this seems to favour the Oilers quite a lot...

 

[tmg]

8 skaters + 1G is the option. You could protect 8 D and 0 forwards if you wanted to.

While true, you also need to expose a defenseman under contract who either played 40+ the season preceding the draft, or 70+ combined the two seasons preceding the draft.

Even if a team was crazy enough to protect 8 D, they probably need to expose one of their top 7.

 

[Maukkis]

Hah! What a joke

In what way... those guys are young 2Ds. Mantha is... what? A good prospect, but he has proven absolutely nothing (and don't bring up his AHL production, because it means nothing when you're acquiring proven NHL talent of those three's caliber). On top of that, Winnipeg and likely St. Louis has no need for him. Colorado could use him, but he'd be an addition to the main piece of a package. So yeah, his value is really far off from Jacob Trouba, Kevin Shattenkirk and Tyson Barrie.

 

[burrythebiscuit*]

For Detroit to get a long-term solution to their defence while off-loading the Green contract without any sort of retention is a net boon for the Wings. They can't possibly afford both he and Shattenkirk. Even if they could, it's a good bet they'd lose a better player in the expansion draft due to protection limits. All things considered, Shattenkirk + 2nd + 3rd for Green + Mantha + Pulkkinen is a perfectly reasonable swap.

Ummm your high, that is completely insane. Green did a solid job . It's not up for discussion, the answer would be no. Let me say it one more time. NO! Everyone wants Mantha but he has " low value" green for shatty is a lateral move. And actually hurts the team. You want some good in return of that value you stated . nothing that would interest the wings to do something that desperate.PERIOD. Either you accept it or don't. You guys are losing him that's very evident

 

[JetsHomer]

Hah! What a joke

All three of those guys are proven top 50 NHL defencemen. Mantha isn't even a top 50 NHL prospect. Give your head a shake

 

[burrythebiscuit*]

In what way... those guys are young 2Ds. Mantha is... what? A good prospect, but he has proven absolutely nothing (and don't bring up his AHL production, because it means nothing when you're acquiring proven NHL talent of those three's caliber). On top of that, Winnipeg and likely St. Louis has no need for him. Colorado could use him, but he'd be an addition to the main piece of a package. So yeah, his value is really far off from Jacob Trouba, Kevin Shattenkirk and Tyson Barrie.

Your not under standing, I don't care what your player is worth. Shattenkirk is not a top 2 dman. Lol Colton,piety, lol he is not he is overrated just because he is "available" he's a rental lol I really doubt he would resign

 

[burrythebiscuit*]

All three of those guys are proven top 50 NHL defencemen. Mantha isn't even a top 50 NHL prospect. Give your head a shake

Actually he's number 50 on the dot. So why does everyone want him if he's such a piss poor prospect

 

[Street Hawk]

Is there are no-trade window ahead of the expansion draft? It would be irritating for Las Vegas if teams started pulling off trades 15 minutes ahead of the draft.

There is going to be a roster freeze of about 48-72 hours prior to the expansion draft. It gives the expansion team(s), a finalized list of who is available for each team.