Speculation: More Moves Coming?
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Suggestion for dealing with deSmith.
Find someone who has a worse goalie than him and wants to upgrade at backup.
Retain down to $1,150,000 and trade him to that other team who sends us back their slightly weaker goalie with buriable contract, plus a mid to late round pick. Thnis would be a guy who we would still be willing to play in Laval and act as #3 or #4 if we have an injury to Monty or Allen, thus not rushing Dobes and giving us insurance if we lose Primeau.
I just hope we try to keep Primeau if he is looking good though.
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Yes, that is clear. My point was to explore options if we have to IR more than just Price and one other (Dvorak for example).
Yes, they do if these additional injuries occur during training camp before the cap compliance deadline day, and goal remains to be compliant before putting POrice on in-season LTIR.
Everything you wrote about injuries IN-SEASON after the compliance date is true.
We can use Price's $10.5M minus the amount we cleared the limit by, which was shown to be $25k - i.e $10,475,000 to:
bring up anyone we demoted that we want to have play with us; and/or
bring up others in case of further injuries.
If we want to take on BIG money later in the year and we have had our space reduced by injuries, we might be able to put more players on in-season LTIR if they will be out for the rest of the year. This might allow us to get more compensatin for taking on cap hits at the TDL for other teams.
CHfan1
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I see now where you are coming from.
If players are injured during camp why not keep them on the active roster (to maintain the 20-23 player limits), move them to IR after the cap compliant roster has been submitted, put Price on LTIR, and then call up any players to replace the IR players.
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Wouldn't that be our final retention slot for the year? I'd think Hugo would like to keep that retention slot open for the TDL and perhaps receive a lesser return for DeSmith in the short term. Stranger things have happened though and if the return warrants using that last spot then by all means.
montreal
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they shouldn't need to retain, once we put Price on LITR we will have a lot of cap space depending on what Hughes opts to do. So they should be looking at taking back a bad contract since so many teams are in major cap trouble, the hope would be that a few teams would be looking for some cap relief since other teams could help them besides us, although we have a bunch of later round picks to throw in with some lesser prospects if need be, depending on the return.
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There has to be a healthy roster of at least 18 skaters and 2 goalies. So Dvorak is being listed as on IR by most predictors since he is expected to be still not able to play by end of training camp. Similarly other players with injuries serious enough to keep the guy out of the lineup would not count against the minimum roster size either.
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There is no one else to move this year other than Monahan, and he would not need retention at his salary if he is useful.
Would be really interesting if somehow by a miracle we're in a PO fight at the TDL and Monahan is one of our best players, will Hughes still trade him?
Should he still trade him?
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If we are in a PO fight and Monahan is one of our best players, we either trade him or extend him.Would be really interesting if somehow by a miracle we're in a PO fight at the TDL and Monahan is one of our best players, will Hughes still trade him?
Should he still trade him?
If a commitment was made to each of Allen and Montembeault, as is being reported, then deSmith needs to be waived or traded. I can't see us starting with three goalies, when the third is at a salary that equals TWO cheap players. It makes compliance much harder.
They should first try to trade deSmith for a positive value, even a small one.
If that does not work, waive him and see if we can basically "trade" him for nothing.
If he clears, keep working on a trade. We can even bring him back up and play with 3 goalies but only AFTER the cap compliance deadline. Other possibilities might open up in-season. If a contender loses a starting goalie for a lengthy period, they might be making an offer for Allen if they cannot replace their guy with a clear 1A. Or if deSmith plays well in his starts, he might attract more interest after showing he is better than last year (say over .910).
Maybe we even get a better deal on a Montembeault extension if we are playing 3 guys and Monty is not standing out clearly better than the other two.
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CHfan1
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When a player is injured, his team can either retain him on their active roster, counting towards the 23-man active roster limit, or place him on the Injurted Reserve List (IR).
NHL Injuries | Puckpedia
And from the CBA:
However, Clubs will not be required to Recall Players to maintain the minimum eighteen (18) skaters and two (2) goaltenders on days which they do not play an NHL Game, provided that the deficiency below those thresholds is a result of an injury that has caused the removal of such disabled Player from the Active Roster.
Cap compliant rosters are due on October 9th which is not a game day.
The Habs could set their roster then put Price on LTIR (and put any other players on IR at that time as well) and then recall any players to ensure they have a minimum 20 player healthy roster for their first game on October 11th.
So Dvorak does not have to be on IR? Our 20 man roster can include him? Then compliance is easier than most thought.When a player is injured, his team can either retain him on their active roster, counting towards the 23-man active roster limit, or place him on the Injurted Reserve List (IR).
NHL Injuries | Puckpedia
puckpedia.com
And from the CBA:
However, Clubs will not be required to Recall Players to maintain the minimum eighteen (18) skaters and two (2) goaltenders on days which they do not play an NHL Game, provided that the deficiency below those thresholds is a result of an injury that has caused the removal of such disabled Player from the Active Roster.
Cap compliant rosters are due on October 9th which is not a game day.
The Habs could set their roster then put Price on LTIR (and put any other players on IR at that time as well) and then recall any players to ensure they have a minimum 20 player healthy roster for their first game on October 11th.
More importantly, we did not have to rush to trade Petry with retention.
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Petry was traded at 25% off his salary, and got a Mike Hofman in return....so let's just admit he had no value..............they traded him for a 24 yr old Dman, and sent him to his home town team.....we did fine there, no biggie....retention is no big deal either....we have the room and still will next year.
Moving along..........
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WeThreeKings
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We were trying to find a destination for Petry in a 'rush' to accommodate him and his family. It's just being a good human and hoping that reputation pays off in other ways down the line.
Nothing else would change in his value unless we kept him here and played him. Hughes didn't want to do that from a family/human element and it should pay some dividends going forward.
The issue next year is not so much the absolute room, but the slots because there are several guys who could fetch a better return with retention (Dvorak, Armia, Savard, Allen, maybe Evans).
If Dvorak does not have to be on IR when we test the compliance, and further injuries are not a problem either, then a good part of the excuse for trading Petry so fast just evaporated.
Of course the timing did not contribute to Jeff's value. That is my whole point. THANK Price that Hughes did not behave the same way last year. His patience netted us Matheson.
The better version of Hughes was less patsy-like the previous year, netting us Matheson. That would not have happened had we forced a trade within a week when Jeff asked for one.
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WeThreeKings
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That was a completely different situation.
He absorbed Jeff after trading him just last year, to get the team more assets and made a human promise to Petry to try to resolve the situation prior to his kids starting school.
Hughes was not going to bring Petry back to Montreal and disrupt his home life just to try to extract a slightly higher draft pick at the deadline. That stuff gets noticed.
The last time Petry was disgruntled there were actual COVID restrictions, and Hughes still asked for patience and Jeff cooperatred and even played a lot better after Marty came in.
Jeff also told Enhgels that if Kent did not move him right away, he would come and play and wait for the trade when it happens.
Doesn't mean the kids would come too.
So much better management, than the previous guy, who had the want loyalty, but a dog mantra.
Wish Markov had been given better treatment that summer, but at least the clown GM was shown the door.
Our current regime seems to know, much had to change in order to get players, to actually want to play for the organization and city once again.
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