OT: MLB Thread - Part XIX: Yankees Hire Boone. Joe Buck Still Unenthused

[GregSirico]

 

[Machinehead]

The Yankees are about to knock off the Braves and the Blue Jays in split squad action

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Conforto has gotten his AB's and is now starting to play the field. Why start him on the DL to begin with?

Might as well just play the guy while he's healthy, until what will probably happen at some point this season and they screw up some medical diagnosis for him. Why should we trust the Mets conservative plan here? They are nearly always wrong with injuries. Get the guy into games while you can.

 

[GregSirico]

 

[ThirdEye]

Oh lord, here we go again

 

[Cassano]

Yikes. Not at all promising with his long injury history. If he has another injury ravaged season, the team should invest in getting a healthier 1B. Not sure if Walker/Drury/Austin will suffice at that position this season.

 

[2Leetch_94]

This Nick Johnson 2.0 thing is becoming more and more a reality with Bird. Really hope this isn't anything serious. Wonder if the Yankees bring Adam Lind back into the fold if Bird has to miss some time.

 

[LeetchisGod]

This Nick Johnson 2.0 thing is becoming more and more a reality with Bird. Really hope this isn't anything serious. Wonder if the Yankees bring Adam Lind back into the fold if Bird has to miss some time.

I don't see how they can have any confidence in Bird going forward. It might be time to cut bait after this season.

 

[darko]

He's better than whoever will be the 5th starter, but these reactionary decisions are made for Spring Training where there's an emphasis to make the games mean something. First it was Matz who was going to be demoted, then he has a few good games at the right time and Wheeler has a few bad starts at the wrong time. Too bad we won't get the rotation we actually needed to compete. First bad decision by Callaway. If you are going to hold players to their spring training stats, why not do it for Reyes, Frazier, Gonzalez who suck? Why do it to a player who could actually play at a Major League level? And while we're at it, Matz spring was really not any better than Wheeler, pitched well right before the roster was finalized. Dumb strategy.

8+ ERA. Sadly he's not better than Lugo. There is also Vargas but he'll start the season on DL.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

8+ ERA. Sadly he's not better than Lugo. There is also Vargas but he'll start the season on DL.

10 innings. Spring training is essentially meaningless.

He was good last season over a much larger sample against actual major leaguers, before being injured.

 

[darko]

10 innings. Spring training is essentially meaningless.

He was good last season over a much larger sample against actual major leaguers, before being injured.

Last season he started off crap. Had a good May. Then turned to shit again. Walking 4+ per 9 will come back and bite you.

 

[darko]

Last season Lugo pitched better than Wheeler against those same major leaguers.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Last season he started off crap. Had a good May. Then turned to **** again. Walking 4+ per 9 will come back and bite you.

His first 11 starts, he had a 3.45 ERA, then he got injured. He's always walked a lot of players, whats the point?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Last season Lugo pitched better than Wheeler against those same major leaguers.

You seemingly don't understand or won't acknowledge that Wheeler got injured, and that effected his performance for some of his later starts. When not injured, Wheeler is at least a mid-rotation starter. Lugo is not more than a #5 starter.

 

[darko]

His first 11 starts, he had a 3.45 ERA, then he got injured. He's always walked a lot of players, whats the point?

What do you mean what's the point? How many successful major league starters walked more batters than Wheeler (qualified pitchers)? Hint: it's a single digit round number.

 

[darko]

You seemingly don't understand or won't acknowledge that Wheeler got injured, and that effected his performance for some of his later starts. When not injured, Wheeler is at least a mid-rotation starter. Lugo is not more than a #5 starter.

Sure Lugo is nothing more than a #5 but at the moment he's more effective than Wheeler.

 

[GregSirico]

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Sure Lugo is nothing more than a #5 but at the moment he's more effective than Wheeler.

I'd rather not judge Wheeler's ability on a period of time when he was injured or 10 isolated innings. And Matz spring ERA is barely any better, and his ERA was even worse last season pitching injured. The same talking points were being used against him for why he shouldn't make the rotation until he had two good starts late in spring training compared to Wheeler who started off well and then finished poorly.

Neither should have been subjected to this scrutiny. Whether its Vargas or Lugo, the Mets will not be able to make the playoffs having those types of players in the rotation. We need the big 5 to be the big 5. We don't have the offense to make the playoffs. Thats the only way we will be successful. I'd rather give these guys the chance to be successful rather than conceding the season.

 

[bernmeister]

Maybe you should stick to hockey trades.

Do you know why Bryant signed a 1 year deal? Because he's arbitration eligible for the first time. Next year he'll most likely sign another 1 year deal. When the time comes Cubs will pay him. Cubs are a big market team. Either way that proposal is putrid. It'd be like Yankees trading Judge to Cubs for Edwards Jr + utility player + overpaid player.

Disagree as to putrid assessment.
Cubs are a big market team, but already have large payroll. Long term they may not be able to afford Bryant and have to do other moves.

Next year Bryant decides where he will go, likely another yr only to max his long term situation thereafter.
The de facto 1 year rental this year nets cost friendly assets, and next year Cubs would still have to win Bryant over, no change.

Redeploying all that to enhance Cubs situation optimizes they will remain NL club most likely to impress Bryant and possibly Harper down the road.

If Bryant loves Yankees, okay, so be it that was a real possiblility
If Bryant is only rented to NYY for 1-2 years and Chi gets something, not such a bad thing.

 

[Machinehead]

The Bird injury sounds like that same thing, and it sounds like something that's never going to heal.

I'm not about to commit a big contract to him.

 

[darko]

Disagree as to putrid assessment.
Cubs are a big market team, but already have large payroll. Long term they may not be able to afford Bryant and have to do other moves.

Next year Bryant decides where he will go, likely another yr only to max his long term situation thereafter.
The de facto 1 year rental this year nets cost friendly assets, and next year Cubs would still have to win Bryant over, no change.

Redeploying all that to enhance Cubs situation optimizes they will remain NL club most likely to impress Bryant and possibly Harper down the road.

If Bryant loves Yankees, okay, so be it that was a real possiblility
If Bryant is only rented to NYY for 1-2 years and Chi gets something, not such a bad thing.

They are not trading their franchise player for garbage. They aren't the Orioles.

 

[Machinehead]

They are not trading their franchise player for garbage. They aren't the Orioles.

 

[2Leetch_94]

They are not trading their franchise player for garbage. They aren't the Orioles.

 

[GregSirico]

 

[RGY]

The Bird injury sounds like that same thing, and it sounds like something that's never going to heal.

I'm not about to commit a big contract to him.

Theres no reason to cut bait with Bird. He has so much boom potential. You wont have to commit big dollars to him. If anything this situation is helping the yankees because if he heals up and is fine this incident will still be leverage for management in contract talks.