Confirmed with Link: Mike Smith (25% retained) for Hickey, Johnson and conditional 3rd

[BurnEmUp]

lol @ Fox being a "dime a dozen" prospect.

He was just the highest scoring NCAA defenseman and he did it at 18/19 years of age, and as a rookie.

 

[djpatm]

lol @ Fox being a "dime a dozen" prospect.

He was just the highest scoring NCAA defenseman and he did it at 18/19 years of age, and as a rookie.

He's not a dime a dozen, fair. I just grouped him in with the others.

He could be the next blue chip prospect but the list of players that impress in college and don't amount to much is rather large and I'd love to hear feedback from people who watch Harvard on his defensive game cause I find it weird that a freshmen leading the NCAA in scoring for D isn't getting much hype. I'm also a bit weary of defenders that rack up assists with few goals on the 2nd highest scoring team in the NCAA. He's also not very tall at 5'10

 

[Beats By CoRD]

I like the trade. Smith is a heckuva goalie and the price isnt bad at all.

My question is: who backs him up? Riddich?

 

[Lunatik]

lol @ Fox being a "dime a dozen" prospect.

He was just the highest scoring NCAA defenseman and he did it at 18/19 years of age, and as a rookie.

he's not a dime a dozen guy, but he's still extremely overrated by Flames fans. He racked up alot of points in a weaker conference, so that needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I see him being a lot like Ghost on the Flyers. I also think it's more probably than not that he ends up being that. His IQ is extremely high so I'm betting in that he makes it.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

I like the trade. Smith is a heckuva goalie and the price isnt bad at all.

My question is: who backs him up? Riddich?

I hope Grubauer still. His underlying numbers are excellent. Corsica is down, but I saved the all situations and 5 on 5 goalie stats for goalies that played at least 1,000 minutes.

For all situations only, as Grubauer didn't play 1,000 minutes 5 on 5.

Stats|Grubauer|Raanta|Mrazek|Pickard
GP|24|30| 50|50
TOI|1,267.2|1,621.05|2,801.15| 2,829.4
CA60|52.46|54.19|53.74| 54.82
CA|1,108|1,464|2,509| 2,585
CSv%| 96.12 |95.83|94.34|94.58
FA60|39.25|40.09|41.47| 42.35
FA|829|1,083|1,936| 1,997
FSv%| 94.81 |94.37|92.67|92.99
SA60|27.70|28.94|30.44| 30.98
SA|585|782|1,421| 1,461
Sv%| 92.65 |92.20|90.01|90.42
xGA| 55.67 |68.52|128.08|120.1
XFSv%| 93.28 |93.67|93.38|93.99
Adj.FSv%| 1.53 |0.69|-0.71|-1.00
LDSA/60| 9.52 |11.03|10.37|13.11
LDSA|201|298|484| 618
LDGA| 1 |4|12|13
LDSv%| 99.50 |98.66|97.52|97.90
MDSA/60|11.13|10.84| 12.49 |11.09
MDSA|235|293| 583 |523
MDGA|16|24|59|46
MDSv%| 93.19 |91.81|89.88|91.20
HDSA/60|7.05|7.07| 7.58 |6.78
HDSA|149|191| 354 |320
HDGA|26|33|71|81
HDSv%|82.55| 82.72 |79.94|74.69
GSAA| 10.01 |7.24|-13.99|-20.44
GA| 43 |61|142|140
Avg.DIS|32.48|31.84| 29.44 |32.28
RBA/60|2.27| 1.55 |1.63|2.21
RBA|48 |42 |76|104
RSA/60| 2.60 |2.15|2.12|1.89
RSA|55|58| 99 |89

IN fact I find Pickard criminally overrated. He faces the least rush shots out of every goalie, and the least high danger shots as well. He's kinda like Lehner in that his stats are inflated by his team allowing a lot of shots but keeping it to the perimeter. Mrazek easily has the worst defense as not only does he face a lot of shots, he faces a lot of dangerous ones as well. Raanta is the best goalie if you want him to make a big stop shown by having the bets HDSv%, but Grubauer is only slightly worse at stopping high danger shots, and Grubauer is the safest goalie to go after with his almost perfect LDSv% and the best MDSv%. Judging from RBA/60, Raanta looks to have the best rebound control, and Grubauer the worst. But RBA/60 is both influenced by rebound control and the skaters ability to clear pucks. Although let's be honest New York is far worse at clearing pucks than Washington is.

Bolded means advantage when it comes to argument, not necessarily they are the best in that category. Grubauer faces the most RSA/60 meaning he has the advantage in an argument of who is the better goalie, as his defense gives up the most rush shots.

 

[SKRusty]

I hope Grubauer still. His underlying numbers are excellent. Corsica is down, but I saved the all situations and 5 on 5 goalie stats for goalies that played at least 1,000 minutes.

For all situations only, as Grubauer didn't play 1,000 minutes 5 on 5.

Stats|Grubauer|Raanta|Mrazek|Pickard
GP|24|30| 50|50
TOI|1,267.2|1,621.05|2,801.15| 2,829.4
CA60|52.46|54.19|53.74| 54.82
CA|1,108|1,464|2,509| 2,585
CSv%| 96.12 |95.83|94.34|94.58
FA60|39.25|40.09|41.47| 42.35
FA|829|1,083|1,936| 1,997
FSv%| 94.81 |94.37|92.67|92.99
SA60|27.70|28.94|30.44| 30.98
SA|585|782|1,421| 1,461
Sv%| 92.65 |92.20|90.01|90.42
xGA| 55.67 |68.52|128.08|120.1
XFSv%| 93.28 |93.67|93.38|93.99
Adj.FSv%| 1.53 |0.69|-0.71|-1.00
LDSA/60| 9.52 |11.03|10.37|13.11
LDSA|201|298|484| 618
LDGA| 1 |4|12|13
LDSv%| 99.50 |98.66|97.52|97.90
MDSA/60|11.13|10.84| 12.49 |11.09
MDSA|235|293| 583 |523
MDGA|16|24|59|46
MDSv%| 93.19 |91.81|89.88|91.20
HDSA/60|7.05|7.07| 7.58 |6.78
HDSA|149|191| 354 |320
HDGA|26|33|71|81
HDSv%|82.55| 82.72 |79.94|74.69
GSAA| 10.01 |7.24|-13.99|-20.44
GA| 43 |61|142|140
Avg.DIS|32.48|31.84| 29.44 |32.28
RBA/60|2.27| 1.55 |1.63|2.21
RBA|48 |42 |76|104
RSA/60| 2.60 |2.15|2.12|1.89
RSA|55|58| 99 |89

IN fact I find Pickard criminally overrated. He faces the least rush shots out of every goalie, and the least high danger shots as well. He's kinda like Lehner in that his stats are inflated by his team allowing a lot of shots but keeping it to the perimeter. Mrazek easily has the worst defense as not only does he face a lot of shots, he faces a lot of dangerous ones as well. Raanta is the best goalie if you want him to make a big stop shown by having the bets HDSv%, but Grubauer is only slightly worse at stopping high danger shots, and Grubauer is the safest goalie to go after with his almost perfect LDSv% and the best MDSv%. Judging from RBA/60, Raanta looks to have the best rebound control, and Grubauer the worst. But RBA/60 is both influenced by rebound control and the skaters ability to clear pucks. Although let's be honest New York is far worse at clearing pucks than Washington is.

Bolded means advantage when it comes to argument, not necessarily they are the best in that category. Grubauer faces the most RSA/60 meaning he has the advantage in an argument of who is the better goalie, as his defense gives up the most rush shots.

If Grubauer was going to find his way to Calgary it would have happened by now. Grabauer is now an RFA and will likely be shooting for between $3-4.5M a season. Look no further than Jones, Talbot, Lack and so on. With over $5.66M invested on Smith and the club still needing a #4 D-men it is doubtful the team could afford to commit to a contract for Grabauer with contracts for Backlund, Tkachuck, and a bridge deal for Bennett coming up in the next two years. (If Tkachuk puts up similar numbers with no growth one would be looking at $5M a season. If he does better it could be substantially more.)

Add to that the assets to acquire Grabauer and it becomes a situation with no logic.

Gillies is 2 years younger and has a 4" height advantage. The team and most analysts see Gillies as the future in net. So why would management bring in a player with a lesser potential for starter money?

When Gillies started against LA you saw the composure and capabilities readily available. He looked completely at home in that net.

IMO provided Gillies doesn't stink up camp he will be the back-up in Calgary next season.

 

[DFF]

If Grubauer was going to find his way to Calgary it would have happened by now. Grabauer is now an RFA and will likely be shooting for between $3-4.5M a season. Look no further than Jones, Talbot, Lack and so on. With over $5.66M invested on Smith and the club still needing a #4 D-men it is doubtful the team could afford to commit to a contract for Grabauer with contracts for Backlund, Tkachuck, and a bridge deal for Bennett coming up in the next two years. (If Tkachuk puts up similar numbers with no growth one would be looking at $5M a season. If he does better it could be substantially more.)

Add to that the assets to acquire Grabauer and it becomes a situation with no logic.

Gillies is 2 years younger and has a 4" height advantage. The team and most analysts see Gillies as the future in net. So why would management bring in a player with a lesser potential for starter money?

When Gillies started against LA you saw the composure and capabilities readily available. He looked completely at home in that net.

IMO provided Gillies doesn't stink up camp he will be the back-up in Calgary next season.

1) Phoenix is responsible for 25% of Smith's salary?
2) Gillies has proven nothing. The jury is still out on him.

But you are probably right, the team is going with Smith unless somebody is cheap, they are not coming here

My guess in 2 yrs, the Flames still have no goalie

 

[King In The North]

I wanted Grub and Raanta.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

I wanted Grub and Raanta.

I think most of us did, but there may have been confounding factors. Maybe they didn't want to (re-)sign with Calgary; maybe the price was too high.

 

[King In The North]

I think most of us did, but there may have been confounding factors. Maybe they didn't want to (re-)sign with Calgary; maybe the price was too high.

Yeah I think either would have definitely cost more than Smith and for good reason too. I wouldn't have hated if we paid for them.

 

[Lunatik]

Smith and his family appear pretty excited about the trade

 

[JurassicTunga]

That family has some hair.

 

[Rubi]

It's Mike Smith's 37th birthday today.
Happy Birthday Mike.

 

[DCDM]

I had to do a double take on this thread.

 

[Volica]

What a nothing trade in hindsight.
Flames got a 'meh' starting goalie for a mid table pick and garbage.

 

[CamPopplestone]

What a nothing trade in hindsight.
Flames got a 'meh' starting goalie for a mid table pick and garbage.

Thats a win for us in the end. We got a useful goalie for nothing. His play last season pre injury alone made it a win, despite how this year has gone

 

[Unlimited Chequing]

Thats a win for us in the end. We got a useful goalie for nothing. His play last season pre injury alone made it a win, despite how this year has gone

His play this year aside, I think people are overlooking the importance of his mentorship and veteran presence for Rittich. Rittich's learning how to play the puck is a nice add too.

It almost makes him a second third defenceman

 

[Mobiandi]

Pretty much every goalie trade in our history has been centered around buying low on a stop-gap, even the Kipper trade