Value of: Mike Hoffman to Calgary

[CraigsList]

Sens would want Matthew Tkachuk probably.

I get the impression through listening to Dorion and reading what people like Garrioch have written about the situation (writing informed by his "sources"...) that the Senators don't want to force a trade, and if they do make a trade where they move a key player, they want a good young player back.

Good young player translates to player who might not be as good right now, but is a sure thing NHLer, and costs less because of ELC+non-arb RFA years. That's at least my interpretation.

I would do Hamilton+ for Stone.

Gives you guys insurance to either keep Karlsson or trade either him or Ceci.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

I would do Hamilton+ for Stone.

Gives you guys insurance to either keep Karlsson or trade either him or Ceci.

I wouldn't mind that deal to be honest, but I'd still like a RHD back in case. Hamilton, Ferland, and any prospect the Sens want (Janko doesn't count as a prospect anymore) for Stone and Jaros (He's a big RHD prospect).

 

[Baxterman]

I would do Hamilton+ for Stone.

Gives you guys insurance to either keep Karlsson or trade either him or Ceci.

I don't think they are going to take Freddie Hamilton for Stone unless that is a pretty big +.

 

[CraigsList]

I don't think they are going to take Freddie Hamilton for Stone unless that is a pretty big +.

Nope, Dougie.

 

[Baxterman]

Nope, Dougie.

Why the F would we add to Dougie in that case?

That's s brutal deal for value and fit straight up let alone with us adding something?

 

[danielpalfredsson]

I would do Hamilton+ for Stone.

Gives you guys insurance to either keep Karlsson or trade either him or Ceci.

For Hoffman or Stone?

No way you get Tkachuk for Hoffman, Stone likely with Calgary adding a bit

That doesn't change my answer that the Senators would want Tkachuk. Judging by the things that have been said, they want to get younger if they move a core player. If the Flames wouldn't do it, it just means that Hoffman to the Flames isn't possible

 

[Flamesjustwin]

That doesn't change my answer that the Senators would want Tkachuk. Judging by the things that have been said, they want to get younger if they move a core player. If the Flames wouldn't do it, it just means that Hoffman to the Flames isn't possible

If the return you are expecting on Hoffman is a player of Tkachuk's promise and level you are going to be very disappointed.

 

[Korpse]

Why the F would we add to Dougie in that case?

That's s brutal deal for value and fit straight up let alone with us adding something?

You seem to really like your players, just keep them all.

 

[Baxterman]

You seem to really like your players, just keep them all.

It's not so much that I like all the Flames players, I would trade a lot of them, but I am not looking to trade our young talent when we aren't close to winning a Cup.

 

[Korpse]

It's not so much that I like all the Flames players, I would trade a lot of them, but I am not looking to trade our young talent when we aren't close to winning a Cup.

Oh okay, you aren't even interested in Mike Hoffman. Then yeah keep Sam Bennett. He might plug a hole in the future.

 

[Baxterman]

Oh okay, you aren't even interested in Mike Hoffman. Then yeah keep Sam Bennett. He might plug a hole in the future.

No with Gaudreau and Tkachuk already there I am not interested in another LHS LWer.

And yes Bennett will definitely plug a hole in the future he already is a key player for the team.

 

[Boud]

That's s brutal deal for value and fit straight up let alone with us adding something?

You wouldn't trade Dougie Hamilton for Mark Stone?

Jesus christ you're out of touch with reality.

Sens would not even consider that deal honestly. Mark Stone is one of the best wingers in the game period.

 

[GuyBoucherEvilGenius]

Dougie Hamilton + Bennett is definitely intereting from Sens POV. Sens could also have interest in Gillies.

 

[Baxterman]

You wouldn't trade Dougie Hamilton for Mark Stone?

Jesus christ you're out of touch with reality.

Sens would not even consider that deal honestly. Mark Stone is one of the best wingers in the game period.

No I wouldn't because all we would do after trading Hamilton is look for a top 4 d-man.

Adding Stone for Hamilton takes this team from a 0% chance at the Cup to a 0% chance at the Cup.

It makes no sense to make that trade.

 

[GuyBoucherEvilGenius]

Broaden the package to Stone + Ceci then so Calgary gets a RD that can play top 4 minutes back.

Stone + Ceci
For
Hamilon + Bennett + Gillies + pick

It may be a futile exercise anyway. I think the Ottawa fans would riot if Stone was moved haha.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

No I wouldn't because all we would do after trading Hamilton is look for a top 4 d-man.

Adding Stone for Hamilton takes this team from a 0% chance at the Cup to a 0% chance at the Cup.

It makes no sense to make that trade.

And the Sens would be looking for a top 6 forward. A stone for Hamilton + trade makes no sense.

 

[Baxterman]

And the Sens would be looking for a top 6 forward. A stone for Hamilton + trade makes no sense.

I think Ottawa and Calgary are bad trading partners. They are both in the same spot where they are looking for NHL ready help and don't want to give up their better NHL level guys.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

I think Ottawa and Calgary are bad trading partners. They are both in the same spot where they are looking for NHL ready help and don't want to give up their better NHL level guys.

I agree

Ottawa might be looking to shake things up and trade a guy like Hoffman for a player of similar quality. But as of now they aren't looking to trade roster players for futures.

 

[Sparky93]

Dougie Hamilton + Bennett is definitely intereting from Sens POV. Sens could also have interest in Gillies.

I bet it would, but that would never happen, considering we’re talking about Stone and not Karlsson. Trading Hamilton + Bennett for Stone would be like the Sens trading Karlsson for Kessel....it’d never happen.

 

[Flamesjustwin]

Oh okay, you aren't even interested in Mike Hoffman. Then yeah keep Sam Bennett. He might plug a hole in the future.

He is starting to break out so we will keep him, especially because he will be a much better player than Mike Hoffman.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

He is starting to break out so we will keep him, especially because he will be a much better player than Mike Hoffman.

Sam Bennett hope springs eternal, I see.

He is never going to have anywhere near as much value to anyone else as he does to certain Flames fans.

 

[Skobel24]

Sam Bennett hope springs eternal, I see.

He is never going to have anywhere near as much value to anyone else as he does to certain Flames fans.

As a center, definitely not. He's been solid on the wing. I'm not gonna claim he's untouchable, but with the way he's played with Jankowski, I'd definitely try to avoid moving him. Hoffman didn't make it as a regular until he was 25. I don't think it's unreasonable to say Bennett may end up being better (as long as he remains on the wing. I do not want to see him at C again).

 

[Lunatik]

Sam Bennett hope springs eternal, I see.

He is never going to have anywhere near as much value to anyone else as he does to certain Flames fans.

Or as little as he does to certain Oiler fans.

 

[Flamesjustwin]

Sam Bennett hope springs eternal, I see.

He is never going to have anywhere near as much value to anyone else as he does to certain Flames fans.

And yet after a slow start he is outplaying his $8.5M draft mate even though he gets third line ice time.

 

[Lunatik]

And yet after a slow start he is outplaying his $8.5M draft mate even though he gets third line ice time.

Drai still has 8 more points in 5 fewer games. Bennett is playing well right now, maybe even currently better than Drai, but seasons have ups and downs so let's not get carried away making such bold declarations when Bennett hasn't caught Drai in production.