Mike Commodore using some logic....

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  1. transplant99

    transplant99 Registered User

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    In an interview on the radio yesterday, the Flames 6th Dman made more sense than anyone involved in negotiations so far.

    And furthermore


    Cracks showing all over the NHLPA as players of this caliber realize that they are the ones who stand to lose out the most. Not the most money overall necessarily, but when a guy that makes 700K a year misses 1 - 2 years of that income...it hurts more than a guy who has banked 7-15 million over the same time span.

    Goodenow's livelihood is on the line.


    Cap isnt that bad of an idea
     
  2. X0ssbar

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    Its very encouraging to read these comments from Commodore. Its becoming clearer everyday that the lower tier NHLers are not happy with their representation and communication thus far. I think its safe to say we will hear more from the 3rd and 4th line guys as this lockout continues. Will they have an impact on these negotiations - that reamains to be seen.
     
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    I don't think it's just the "lower tier" I think it's everyone but the 3M+ players.
     
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    The bulk of the NHLPA are guys like Commodore. He knows it and that's why he made those comments.

    The NHLPA's bigger issue is not the owners, its allowing its representation actually start to have a voice. That's why union heads meet on Nov.2 - to either strategize a way to stem this inevitable discension or to push Goodenow into the tunnel and find the light.
     
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    Seems like the lower-paid guys are figuring out that their union isn't looking out for their interests.

    Does anyone know where you can find a list of ALL the NHLPA team reps? I know who the executive committee is and who the rep is for a few teams, but I can't find a list of all of them. Just curious.
     
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    cue the Bicycle Repairman to come in and bash Commodore\put a spin on it.
     
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    Not sure about a complete list.

    I know the Flyers rep is Robert Esche.
     
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    You have to think Bettman and the owners were hoping for this to happen. Like it has been stated elsewhere, it is easier to gag 30 owners than it is 700 players: some who are making zero dollars right now. At least the owners all have other business from which to make money from. The pressure just got a little more tighter on Goodenow and the NHLPA.
     
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    If there was a $1 million fine hanging over the players heads, I think you'd see them being even more quiet than the NHL ownership groups.
     
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    Thanks John! It might be easier for us to piece it together than to find an actual list.

    Tampa's is Tim Taylor. On his last contract, he voluntarily took a 50% paycut for two years and signed without talking to his agent, I'm sure the union LOVES that in their Reps. :)
     
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    Leaf rep is McCabe.
     
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    Nashville's is Walker. Interestingly enough. Nashville owner Craig Leipold is one of the core owners on the other side.
     
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    Flames rep is Iginla I beleive, and Jason Smith for the Oilers IIRC.
     
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    some additional comments from the 'Fro himself in Calgary's other paper.

    I would link but it is subscripton only.

    Very clearly a guy who has thought this through to the end.
     
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    Whle all these things make sense, I'm not so sure he has that much of an invested stake in a cap. I mean, in reality right now he's making close to the league minimum no matter if there is a cap or not.

    Let someone who would actually stand to lose salary from this talk, and then I'll care. I think Mike was just happy to be in the NHL to begin with.
     
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    The same can be said for about 70% of the players...in other words, the majority. Thats who the union should be listening to in as equal a way as the other 30%.

    And just to point out....ALL players are losing money right now, not just the lower tier guys. The ONLY guys that stand to "lose money" in a capped world are the top tier guys...namely about 10% of the entire union.

    Thats why the NHLPA should never be confused with a real union.
     
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    Last i heard it was Steve Staios as the player rep for the Oilers, has it changed :dunno:
     
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    The entire point of this thread went WAY over your head. Commodore's situation is MUCH more like the majority of the NHL than the millionaires who you want to hear from.
     
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    Every player in the NHL should be happy to be playing a kids game making at minumal 10x the average salary of most work class people.
     
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    I believe the Wings rep is Kris Draper.
     
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    I think the Canucks is Markus Naslund
    for some reason I think the Ducks is Keith Carney, but I'm not sure

    The recent issue of the Hockey News that detailed what each player was doing said a lot of the reps, I'll dig it out when I get home
     
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    Roloson is the PA rep on the Wild.
     
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    Wouldn't it be Linden, NHLPA President?
     
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    Steve Staios for Edmonton, not Smith.
     
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    What I've found so far:

    The Executive Comittee

    Trevor Linden - $2.0 M
    Bob Boughner - $1.25 M
    Vinny Damphousse - $2.0 M
    Daniel Alfredsson - $5.43 M
    Bill Guerin - $8.86 M
    Trent Klatt - $1.1 M
    Arturs Irbe - $2.5 M


    Who are the player reps ?? .. I don't think that they're all big money players

    I don't have a complete list, ones I'm aware of:

    Philly - Robert Esche - $775 K
    Tampa - Tim Taylor - $850 K
    Toronto - Bryan McCabe - $4.45 M
    Edmonton - Steve Staios - $2.0 M
    Nashville - Scott Walker - $2.0 M
    Calgary - Jarome Iginla - $7.5 M
    Boston - Hal Gill - $2.1 M
    Detroit - Kris Draper - $2.8 M
    Minnesota - Dwayne Roloson - $2.2 M
     
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