Player Discussion Michael Grabner

[Captain Lindy]

If we lose Grabner it would be a big loss. The guy is one of our best players.

 

[NickyFotiu]

A couple of interesting Grabs articles this week. One was about half his goals being EN and the possibility of Grabs breaking the EN season record.
Other article was about his "Cy Young" type stat line with huge goals but low assist numbers. Grabs laughed at the Cy Young article headline.

 

[NYR Viper]

Grabner scores goals. He creates opportunities and he tilts the ice int he Rangers favor when he is out there. In saying that, he is not a huge point producer. I'd say $3.25-$3.5m is fair for him and I'd sign him at that for 3-4 years.

 

[True Blue]

Grabner scores goals. He creates opportunities and he tilts the ice int he Rangers favor when he is out there. In saying that, he is not a huge point producer. I'd say $3.25-$3.5m is fair for him and I'd sign him at that for 3-4 years.

He is 30 years old now and when next season opens up he will be 31. The speed will begin to go. Not sure I want to be paying him those dollars on the back end of such a contract.

 

[NYR Viper]

He is 30 years old now and when next season opens up he will be 31. The speed will begin to go. Not sure I want to be paying him those dollars on the back end of such a contract.

These guys with wheels like this who keep themselves in the type of physical condition that Grabner does don't lose that speed though.

 

[DanielBrassard]

He's been a good soldier, but I would like to trade him and let him go somewhere else next season. Not sure why he would sign for less than 4M+, he's going to pace for 30+ goals the past 2 seasons.

 

[True Blue]

These guys with wheels like this who keep themselves in the type of physical condition that Grabner does don't lose that speed though.

MSL's decline came pretty quickly

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

MSL's decline came pretty quickly

Right. Please, no he's a physical freak talk.

 

[NYR Viper]

MSL's decline came pretty quickly

MSL was 39? Grabner is 30.

 

[mrjiggyfly]

Unless you think you're a Cup Contender (and Colton Parayko ain't walkin through that door), I don't see why you wouldn't trade him to a team that will pay big for him. and then try and resign him in the offseason. He might take less to be in NYR since he's been able to reboot his career with the Rangers. He's my favorite player in the league. But I do believe the following things: He never wins a board battle--He's not strong on the puck--He doesn't drive possession---.But he is opportunistic. His speed is dangerous. He can snipe when he's feeling it. He's a good penalty killer. I only put him as good because I feel like when he's out there, the other team gains the zone pretty easily. I hope we see him start to intercept passes and speed back the other way more like he did against Crosby in the last game vs Pitt. The fact that he doesn't have many breakaways this year is actually encouraging. He's been able to score a good amount without them

 

[McD37]

They should re-sign him. He is such a good fit for Rangers and he is very important player who brings elements that I am not sure Rangers can replace so easily.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Grabner is the man!

 

[Fork]

What a great signing this turned out to be. Shame we'll probably have to let him walk. Kinda reminds me of the BP67 situation in a way. Though he'll still be useful, you just know if we pay him the big bucks (maybe $3.5x3?) that he'll stop producing like he's been. I'd have no problem giving him 3x3 but I think he'll be able to get more. Gonna be tough to replace what he brings.

how is $3.5 "big bucks" lol especially for someone who scores 20-30 years the past 2 years

 

[nyr2k2]

If you can get Grabner for $3.5 on a two or three year deal you do it and run away .That's a great number for him. The goals are gravy, but he, like Hagelin before, contributes so much more in terms of providing a foundation for our system.

 

[will1066]

He was brought in to be a PK specialist. Now he is a goal specialist. He is in for a raise. Maybe not to the height of his deal with the Islanders but still a solid deal. But GMs will look at whether he is a product of the system we play and environmental factors. Grabs will do the same as he evaluates offers.

 

[nyr2k2]

He was brought in to be a PK specialist. Now he is a goal specialist. He is in for a raise. Maybe not to the height of his deal with the Islanders but still a solid deal. But GMs will look at whether he is a product of the system we play and environmental factors. Grabs will do the same as he evaluates offers.

This is all true however our system is not so unique that he can't replicate his success here elsewhere. The NHL is trending heavily towards emphasizing speed and every team will recognize Grabs brings that in spades. Speed, leadership, PK, goal scoring. That will translate wherever.

 

[Edge]

These guys with wheels like this who keep themselves in the type of physical condition that Grabner does don't lose that speed though.

Unfortunately, it's usually the hands and the others parts of the body that tend to not be able to keep up.

And if anything happens to the much valued wheels, it's especially a dead in the water situation.

Make no mistake, Grabner has been a great edition to this roster and is just about a perfect fit.

But the question is whether you can maximize the long-term good by selling high - Grabner's stock will likely NEVER be this high again.

And if he likes the area, and this is where he wants to be, why couldn't we do a Martin Rucinsky type reunion?

 

[will1066]

This is all true however our system is not so unique that he can't replicate his success here elsewhere. The NHL is trending heavily towards emphasizing speed and every team will recognize Grabs brings that in spades. Speed, leadership, PK, goal scoring. That will translate wherever.

True. I think the league is already familiar with him. You can't teach his quick stick on the PK that springs him for shorthanded chances. That first step is crucial for him to keep his speed. He can probably counteract the effects of aging with skating technique.

 

[Jauffre]

Grabner only 2 years ago might have thought the best of his career was behind him.. he must be happy to be here and be producing and heavily influencing games for this team. Really hope he just wants to be here and signs for 3 years 10 mil total or something

 

[will1066]

Grabner only 2 years ago might have thought the best of his career was behind him.. he must be happy to be here and be producing and heavily influencing games for this team. Really hope he just wants to be here and signs for 3 years 10 mil total or something

It's a long shot he stays on a hometown discount unless he is absolutely enthralled with the environment. A player lives for that big payday.

 

[Jauffre]

Right. Please, no he's a physical freak talk.

I remember when some were saying Richards was a similar kind of guy, never had the speed obviously but he was a
'fitness freak' and wouldn't decline quickly. Then we watched his hockey tools just degrade by the day.

As for Grabner, his speed looks almost effortless at times. Think even if he loses a step over the next 3 years he'll still be one of the fastest guys in the league

 

[NYR Viper]

Unfortunately, it's usually the hands and the others parts of the body that tend to not be able to keep up.

And if anything happens to the much valued wheels, it's especially a dead in the water situation.

Make no mistake, Grabner has been a great edition to this roster and is just about a perfect fit.

But the question is whether you can maximize the long-term good by selling high - Grabner's stock will likely NEVER be this high again.

And if he likes the area, and this is where he wants to be, why couldn't we do a Martin Rucinsky type reunion?

I'd be fine with either re-signing him on a team friendly deal OR trading him. Doing neither would be a burr in my saddle

 

[Levitate]

Grabner is a funny player...17 goals but how many EN ones? Not that it's terrible that he scores them but for someone with 17 goals he's not quite someone you feel like you want to rely on to be a goal scorer
that said, he's a good addition to the team and talk about trading him is probably something that just isn't going to happen unless the Rangers are out of the playoffs or if it's for some young promising asset that a team wants to move in return for immediate help. Just not that common to trade productive members of your team if you're playoff caliber team hoping to make some noise in the playoffs. We go through this every year but people keep saying guys that are important cogs in the team should be traded...

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Grabner is a funny player...17 goals but how many EN ones? Not that it's terrible that he scores them but for someone with 17 goals he's not quite someone you feel like you want to rely on to be a goal scorer
that said, he's a good addition to the team and talk about trading him is probably something that just isn't going to happen unless the Rangers are out of the playoffs or if it's for some young promising asset that a team wants to move in return for immediate help. Just not that common to trade productive members of your team if you're playoff caliber team hoping to make some noise in the playoffs. We go through this every year but people keep saying guys that are important cogs in the team should be traded...

Take away the empty net goals and he still leads the team in goals. Let that sink in...

 

[broadwayblue]

Unfortunately, it's usually the hands and the others parts of the body that tend to not be able to keep up.

And if anything happens to the much valued wheels, it's especially a dead in the water situation.

Make no mistake, Grabner has been a great edition to this roster and is just about a perfect fit.

But the question is whether you can maximize the long-term good by selling high - Grabner's stock will likely NEVER be this high again.

And if he likes the area, and this is where he wants to be, why couldn't we do a Martin Rucinsky type reunion?

We could probably say that about other guys as well (Zucc) but the question is whether this team will move these guys while they are in the hunt and while Hank is still here.