I would have traded Pronger + Markkanen + Winchester for Luongo + Van Ryn. Then let Roloson walk. And signed a cheaper UFA like a Kozlov upfront.
Van Ryn doesn't replace Pronger, but I think he'd definitely replace Spacek and then some.
In regards to the allstars people expect us to get in every trade
Losing them seems easy enough.
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Its interesting that we are starting to talk about ticket availability in Maple Leafs kinds of terms where theres several thousands wait listed and has been for years.I agree it is a gamble to give up your tickets and assume that it sends a message to the Oilers over the Ryan Smyth issue, and lack of Dman aquired for the year ( I think the dman should be the big issue if people had one )
As long as someone is on the list to take any ticket that is not renewed, the only loser is a fan, if the Oilers make a change and suddenly they can't get in to the games when things pick up.
With sports it could be next year that we move up quickly if they get a great dman and make a few changes or it could take a few more years. But to get to the top of a season ticket list, and most importantly to the sections that you want take time.
Who would have been out back-up? Neither of the kids looked ready.
as much as that trade is a bunch of smoke, if we did get Luongo I don't think a back up goalie is an issue with him, JDD woul dbe more than able to handle the three games he would get.
I would have traded Pronger + Markkanen + Winchester for Luongo + Van Ryn. Then let Roloson walk. And signed a cheaper UFA like a Kozlov upfront.
Van Ryn doesn't replace Pronger, but I think he'd definitely replace Spacek and then some.
I don't agree with your analysis, but even if it were true, we are worse in our current situation that the one you present.
Err ... I'd say that trade has more susbtance to it than about 99.9% of the deals being discussed here currently.
Luongo was actually available we know that for sure.
As was stated earlier in this thread, Luongo was traded the same day Pronger's demand was leaked.
Every team now has to make hard choices around players and salaries - not just Edmonton. If there was no cap in place - Smyth would still likely be an Oiler. Edmonton ponied up money to a Pronger, Peca (who everyone knew was leaving), and came close to winning it all in a thrilling cinderella run. That said, even with Smyth, Peca, Pronger, Roloson, Samsonov, etc. - Edmonton came in 8th in the west.
Is this cluster of players going to win the cup? Not this year, and not next. I do think that if they continue to draft well (which, they're obviously improving upon) - they'll put themselves in a position to acquire another impact player.
I think that Hemsky is the highest skilled player Edmonton has drafted since 1983. I think that Stoll is the best overall young player the Oilers have had since Weight. And I think that the Edmonton prospect and pick pool is deeper than at any point in the past (hmmm, not drafting from Baja seems to help )
Its interesting that we are starting to talk about ticket availability in Maple Leafs kinds of terms where theres several thousands wait listed and has been for years.
Sure we have a present wait list.
This is a recent phenomenon here and hasn't been status quo since the 80's.
With Oil Kings in town next year some people may be looking in a different direction. i'm quite sure Oilers didn't want to be sucking this badly leading into dual teams next season. Remember this is the same org that didn't want Roadrunners/oil simultaneously here.
Yeah ... and? Lowe knew about Pronger's trade demand since January/Feburary, he's said that on record himself.
Yeah ... and? Lowe knew about Pronger's trade demand since January/Feburary, he's said that on record himself.
Smack dab in the middle of a recession and nothing much to take away.Were the Edmonton Ice taking away from the Oilers back in the day?
They weren't going to trade for Luongo based on the fact that Lowe was negotiating with Roloson. He wanted to sign Roli and for the first time in a while, we weren't questioning the goaltending. So I'm sure Lowe figured he would leave the goaltending at a good level and try to pick up some scoring and defense to replace Pronger leaving.
Yeah ... and? Lowe knew about Pronger's trade demand since January/Feburary, he's said that on record himself.
What's our record against Luongo this year btw? Like 1-5? And that one time we did win against him we got some extremely flukey goals to do it (Horcoff's phantom goal).
Luongo was traded on the same day Pronger asked for the trade
and added to that what the hell is the point of trading Luongo if we were in the process of resigning Roli.
What did Edmonton want for Pronger ? GET IT THROUGH YOU _____ HEAD - A GOOD FORWARD AND A GOOD D MAN
hense why they asked for Jbo and Horton from Florida instead of Luongo. I am done with your garbage because no matter what you sit there and talk about trades that never were on the table and ignore facts.
Go back to playing NHL 07
Which on paper may have seemed like a decent idea at the time. On ice though, we can see what a disaster that's been.
Never pass up on being able to get a superstar when you have the oppurtunity to do so. The hockey gods don't like it. The Pronger deal completely and utterly screwed us.
This organization has a nasty habit of going for "depth + potential" when trading their superstars rather than just getting proper value back.
You are obviously forgetting the fact that the Oilers traded and signed Pronger 2 years ago at that $6million price tag. The salaries have gone up since then. The most anyone was making at the time of the Pronger trade was $7million. Way to try and use false info.
The disaster hasn't been our goaltending. It's been everywhere else.