You're in for quite the surprise next regular season I'll tell you that.
McDavid - 20/21 vs. Crosby 10/11
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You're in for quite the surprise next regular season I'll tell you that.
Nathaniel Skywalker
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No you're right it's not exactly what the raw numbers say as it usually never is with comparing seasons this far apart, but McDavid has more assists than anyone but Draisaitl has points right now, and he's still 2nd in goals. That's like as close as you can get to Gretzky like dominance in todays NHL. Divisions or not, no one in his division is close and it includes the 2nd best offensive producer of the past 3 seasons, and the best goal scorer along with another one of the best playmakers in Marner. McDavid isn't even on a stacked team either and if you go by primary points his gap on the NHL becomes even bigger and he's doing this while playing a really good all around game.
You just said he would score 85 in this same amount of games, I'll bet you money he goes well above that and closer to 100. As for 150 I don't believe he would quite keep this pace over 82 games anyway, so that has nothing really to do with the divisions. Go check his regular schedule from last season and think of all the horrible teams he'll be facing again. It pretty much balances out, if you want to deduct anything from his totals right now anything more than 5 points is reaching hard.
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The east is the highest scoring division.
100 in 53. Its the best NHL season since Lemieux.
Nathaniel Skywalker
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Maybe it's the highest-scoring division, but look at East's teams' average standings last season and compare them to North's.
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Yep, sorry it upsets you so.
Show your math that McDavid would have 85 points in the higher scoring east please. Shaving 15 points off a players totals in 53 games means it should be quite easy to do.
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You can say it's the most dominant 56 game stretch since Lemieux maybe - but he's right, it's not a full season.
82 game > 56 game. Go ahead and rank your top 5 82 games season since Lemieux. I bet at least a few of them (if not all) should be seen above McDavid, because more games simply matters. You can't get around that.
Crosby in 2011 is very often talked about "the best level of play/games since Lemieux" - but full season Ovechkin 2008 > Crosby in 2011. He simply did it in more games, and so as a season it's more valuable. Same idea with McDavid this year.
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This "argument" has no basis in reality. If anyone is feasting on weak opposition its the best East teams.
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I always suspected Connor McDavid was no match for Cooney Weiland.
I still think that McDavid wins the Hart as most writers look at simple counting stats.
Crosby will most likely be a finalist though.
Playing in the Nothern Division?
We played all but 1 of our games vs Ottawa (young. lots of new players.) really early in the season before the team had the chance to build up much chemistry.
Jet's, Flames and Nucks have been a joke for a great deal of the season.
Toronto and Montreal are the only 2 teams that can consistently threaten the Oilers or limit McDavid's offensive production.
As Crosby is right now, how many points do you think he'd put up playing against AHL games? Because that's what some of the Nothern teams look like on some nights. Ottawa has come a long way over the course of the season, but this division is filled with glass cannons.
So is the regular NHL schedule, he'll play way more mediocre or crappy teams than really good teams. How many points do you think Crosby would put up in these same 53 games? If it's not more than 100 then McDavid is probably better.
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Crosby would have similar amount of points with a far better overall game though
No he wouldn't and there's nothing to indicate that. McDavid's underlying numbers this season are on par with any 40+ game season Crosby has had. Do yourself a favour and watch some more Edmonton games.
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So in your opinion what does 2011 crosby score in 53 games in this North division this season? And throw 3 on 3 in the mix
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You are all missing the point.
The real question: how many points would Kaspars Daugavins get playing in the North Division?
Probably about 90 give or take, and McDavid has a 62.5 CF% and 21.8 rel compared to 62% and 12.4 rel for Crosby, and he has a larger sample doing it which more than makes up for any miniscule advantage he has from the divisions. That's Crosby's scoring adjusted up to these scoring levels and then some for the division assuming he would keep his pace. Over a full season that would be a 17 or 18 point advantage for McDavid.
