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Condra makes every line better, he is a really smart player. But so is Stone.
If it comes down to Stone vs Condra then take Stone.
Either way we suck
Should come down to Condra or Neil. Easy choice here
Condra makes every line better, he is a really smart player. But so is Stone.
If it comes down to Stone vs Condra then take Stone.
Either way we suck
Man people act as if Condra is some defensive God.
Condra's job is to shutdown the opposition and, by all metrics, he excels at this
Stone's job is to score goals and he happens to be good defensively too
Man people act as if Condra is some defensive God.
And why exactly? Legwand is a savvy veteran who is excellent defensively, Stone has hockey smarts through the roof so he is already very good defensively and Hoffman surprised me. His speed and constant skating makes him available a bit everywhere on the ice. As long as he works hard, he will be fine defensively. On the other side of the puck, that line can score a lot more than traditional 3rd lines... I think it's realistic to expect three 30 pts + paces from them (just to be sure, pace means per 82 games).
And the spoon fed pucks comment I don't get it, that's not what I thought of Mark Stone when I watched him play. It's been a very long time I haven't been that impressed with a rookie Sens forward. Yes there was Bobby Butler, but he was a flash in the pan. Problem with guys like this is when they don't score or get points, they have an almost negative impact. While a guy like Mark Stone has a positive impact whatever he does on the ice. I thought it was flagrant
If he can't DRAMATICALLY improve his acceleration, top speed, stamina, etc., he'll have no shot in the NHL. It's especially his first few steps that are dreadful, and he gets beat to the puck consistently. I also don't think it's as easy to improve one's skating as people on this board seem to think.
I've followed Stone's progress in the WHL closely since he was drafted - and been excited about him as a prospect (much earlier than most here) - so I don't want to hear the usual comments.
He's FAR from a sure thing.
Omg We Didn't Draft A First Liner With The 178th Pick? Omg What The Hell, Man?
I didn't want to embarrass anyone so I picked a name I haven't seen on here for a long time. But there are dozens and dozens of similar comments here about Stone. My point? Most internet warriors know squat about how to scout young players and mostly get it wrong.
He's 100% right though. Stone's skating when he was first drafted was abysmal. Why he went 6th round in first place. His conditioning was also terrible IIRC. The amount of effort and improvement he's made from then till now is astronomical. So much dedication on the part of Stone. Even from when he first entered the A till now not many thought much of his game outside bottom 6 role cause of his skating.
Huge props to Stone.
Ottawa has a history of picking guys who are bad at skating but have remarkable dedication and a cocky side to improve. Who resembles that from this year's draft?
A gritty winger who plays with an edge and has a nose for the net. Plays an agitative style and is very effective on the forecheck. Possesses good skating ability and is able to evade larger opponents with ease. All-in-all, a scrappy, skilled winger that can be difficult to play against. (Curtis Joe, EP 2014)
I didn't want to embarrass anyone so I picked a name I haven't seen on here for a long time. But there are dozens and dozens of similar comments here about Stone. My point? Most internet warriors know squat about how to scout young players and mostly get it wrong.
Jesse Gabrielle? Made of muscle, agitator, can score goals, undiscliped and his stats fell off after he was requested a trade away from brandon
Good skating ability is a bit of an overstatment
Im sure there are lots of guys that fit your decription
Thinking of guys with poor skating who busted hard Zach Phillips comes to mind
Ek-Eriksson isnt a great skater
Perry and Getz come to mind as well. The guy in question doesnt have to be downright terrible skater but average or not that great skater.
He's 100% right though. Stone's skating when he was first drafted was abysmal. Why he went 6th round in first place. His conditioning was also terrible IIRC. The amount of effort and improvement he's made from then till now is astronomical. So much dedication on the part of Stone. Even from when he first entered the A till now not many thought much of his game outside bottom 6 role cause of his skating.
Huge props to Stone.
Ottawa has a history of picking guys who are bad at skating but have remarkable dedication and a cocky side to improve. Who resembles that from this year's draft?
Jesse Gabrielle? Made of muscle, agitator, can score goals, undiscliped and his stats fell off after he was requested a trade away from brandon
His stats didn't fall off after he left Brandon. His stats fell off after he got injured in November. His statistical decline began the last 8 games he was in Brandon (just 2 points) and stayed down until he got healthy by the beginning of February.
He had 23 points in his first 25 games. And finished strong with 15 points in his last 18 games.
He had just 6 points during the 23 game stretch he played through 2 injuries and an illness.
http://www.draftbuzzhockey.com/#!jesse-gabrielle/c19ps
Had nothing to do with the trade and everything to do with injuries/illness.
He actually finished the last 1/3 of the season (.74 ppg) stronger than the first 2/3 (.64 ppg).
Getzlaf was an ok skater in his draft year. It was Perry that had his stock fall due to his awful skating.
I've been high on Stone since Ottawa drafted him or just high. I think Nick Paul will be the next one.
Yea, and attitude issues apparently. Thats why Im looking for Getz like players. Players quite good but ok skating that they could fix which could make them enter the next level.
Ek could be one.
You're high on anyone we draft/sign over 6'2
Omg We Didn't Draft A First Liner With The 178th Pick? Omg What The Hell, Man?
Omg We Didn't Draft A First Liner With The 178th Pick? Omg What The Hell, Man?