Prospect Info: Mark Stone (Ottawa 178 overall)
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Stones as good defensively as Condra but brings offense.
Yup Stone was very good with is stickhandling last year, especially when he was playing with Turret and Mac. I remember that i was impress by the way he was stealing the puck from the other team's players using is body and creating turnovers.......that were not against us, i wanna see more of this
Not even remotely true. Condra is a great defensive player, Stone projects as below average defensively and as of right now is quite a bit worse than that.
Stones as good defensively as Condra but brings offense.
I don't know where you got the idea that Bissonnette is a good defensive player, but he's as bad in his own end as he is in the opponent's.
It takes an awfully advanced mental game - and likely work ethic - to overcome his skill deficits.
He's a very useful player, you probably just don't think so because there's kids in Junior B that make it look better than he does.
Players that always seem to win more shifts than they lose aren't a dime a dozen, doesn't matter if he's a 4th liner. There are plenty of 4th liners in the league that lose most of their shifts.
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Stones as good defensively as Condra but brings offense.
In what world is Stone as good as Condra defensively?
Takeaways on their own aren't enough to warrant such an evaluation
You honestly think PMac is going to say that he wants to replace scorers with grinders so he can win low scoring games? That's pretty backwards.
Maybe he'll flip the lines and play a top line of Greening-Smith-Neil. You know, so that he can avoid scoring goals and keep with the gameplan.
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Yup Stone was very good with is stickhandling last year, especially when he was playing with Turret and Mac. I remember that i was impress by the way he was stealing the puck from the other team's players using is body and creating turnovers.......that were not against us, i wanna see more of this
Stone is so lethal at the opposing blue line when he's backchecking. I lost track of how many pucks he stole. He's tenacious.
Still, Condra is a better defensive forward. Stone is a far better two-way forward (in no small part because he includes scoring in his skillset).
I find them similar defensively. Maybe Condra gets the edge because of his skating and he's proven.
Agreed. Stone wasn't Kopitar out there, but his 2-way game is coming along quite nicely.
He didn't even come into the organization as a project defensively. He's always had a competent all around game.
I see Stone consistently doing the little things right anyways.
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He's not.
But at the same time, people think he's useless offensively or at anything else. Condra has the ability to put up 25-30 points. He's good in transition and decent playmaker. I like him as an all around player
I like what MoO said. Wins more shifts than he loses. Extremely valuable quality to have in 4th liners. Getting rid of guys like that is counter-productive.
Stone is not at Condra's level defensively yet. Though he's good and I don't mind him playing with Turris on the shutdown line
I find them similar defensively. Maybe Condra gets the edge because of his skating and he's proven.
I view Condra as better defensively because he is first three steps faster and quicker to react defensively because of his better skating. Offensively we know Stone is much much getter than Condra. Condra, it seems cannot hit the broad side of a barn. ( I however have proven I can definitely hit the broad side of a barn . . . On a golf course several years ago with a very impressive right hook!).
Defensive gods are guys who are 1st liners almost entirely because of that (or defensemen). Condra isn't that, but he's a pretty great bottom 6 type basically entirely because of his defensive work.
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Condra is defensively responsible, that's it. He isn't a "great" defender, but he will do his job on defence. Condra isn't "great" at pk either, but he is good. he knows how to stay in the shooting lane and pressure the puck handler. If Condra manages to take the puck away, he doesn't know what to do with it. He often ends up giving it right back in an attempt to clear the puck, or if he skates it out, ends up shooting the puck into the goalkeepers midsection. He can sometimes forecheck the opponents PP unit aggressively and still get back to defend. Condra is able to help eat up seconds on the clock during the pk, that is his job and he does it well enough.
Stone is also defensively responsible. He just isn't as quick as Condra, but he brings a higher hockey IQ, and better stick.
Stone is also defensively responsible. He just isn't as quick as Condra, but he brings a higher hockey IQ, and better stick.
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Condra's job is to shutdown the opposition and, by all metrics, he excels at this
Stone's job is to score goals and he happens to be good defensively too
Stone's job is to score goals and he happens to be good defensively too
How's that backwards? I think he'll chose experienced players with good defensive game to start the season.
I'm not claiming Condra is better than Stone, it's just that no one has Condra on their projected line up and I believe he'll make the team over Stone at the start of the season
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I have Condra on my projected lineup, 4LW. He's battling Hoffman for a regular spot.
MacArthur Turris Ryan
Michalek Zibanejad Stone
Greening Legwand Chiasson
Condra Smith Neil
Hoffman
But, what may happen is;
MacArthur Turris Ryan
Michalek Legwand Chiasson/Stone
Greening Smith Neil
Hoffman/Condra Zibanejad Stone/Chiasson/Condra
Which makes Hoffman and Condra much more of a tossup as to who sits.
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Small sample size but that sounds like a promising player defensively.
He didn't play much, and when he did he played with Turris and MacArthur, so that's not very valuable information (especially as it relates to the defensive side only, since I do think that Stone is a good offensive player). By the same token Hoffman looks pretty decent in FA/20, and I'm even less enthusiastic about his defensive skills. I'm thinking more along the lines of using him on the PK or up 1 with a minute to go in your own end.
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