Flames Draft Watcher said:Just put Stich on your ignore list. It'll save you some grief. I appear to have done exactly that a while back after his Blues homerism annoyed me for the last time.
slimer said:One period he stands on his head and keep his poor team in a game, and the next he looks very ordinary.
Stich said:Ed Belfour
Under 23 Shots: .900 (11 Games)
Over 29 Shots: .934 (7 Games)
etc etc etc
That's what I was thinking as well... I would argue that the relationship may be somewhat spurious. I'd be curious to see what the numbers would look like if games where the goaltender was pulled were removed from the calculations...Asiaoil said:A very interesting list Stich and good on ya for doing the work.
I would suggest - however - that the SV% in the low shot game category is skewed. Many of these "low shot" games represent the goalies worst games (ie they are playing badly and get pulled). By being pulled this puts the game into the low shot" catagory by default - when in fact it may be a high shot game if they played the entire 60 minutes. So many of the "low shot" games cited may actually just represent particularly poor performaces that all end up in the "low shot" category
If you could remove all the games where the goalie got pulled (played less than 60 minutes). This would remove the false "low shot" games and give a more accurate picture of what's going on.
Cerebral said:That's what I was thinking as well... I would argue that the relationship may be somewhat spurious. I'd be curious to see what the numbers would look like if games where the goaltender was pulled were removed from the calculations...
:lolAsiaoil said:Oh man Stich you're in trouble now.......the Oiler board stat fiends are circling. If igor shows up I'd head for the hills
JR#9 said:It should be if you wanted to keep any credibility that you would produce examples of all these "more reputable publications" that you've created this whole entire arguement about as you've already stated that YOU have never seen the players your commenting on with such conviction so now that you can't produce even ONE of these "sources" which you speak of where does that leave your credibility???
Nothing wrong with being a homer as long as you don't try and pretend that your not one.
Doomsday Device said:I don't really want to get involved in this skirmish, but I don't think he's lying about publications having Schwarz ahead of Montoya.
The Hockey News had Schwarz at No. 6 overall and Montoya at No. 8 overall.
Redline had Schwarz as the No. 1 goaltender and Montoya as the No. 2
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/columnist/woodlief/2004-06-14-woodlief_x.htm
McKeen's had Schwarz at No. 6 overall and Montoya at No. 9 overall.
http://www.canoe.ca/HockeyNHLDraft/top15.html
ISS was the only one who had it the other way around, with Montoya at No. 7 overall and Schwarz at No. 12 overall.
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/nhlentrydraft.php
Asiaoil said:Yeah but why would you care about what these publications said post-draft? It's a little bit like talking about what the morning line was for a horse race instead of which of the nags actually came win, place, show. Sure it's an opinion - but I've got one too and that and the proverbial 25 cents will get you pretty much sweet FA these days.
The only opinions that mattered were those of 30 NHL teams who picked the players. Some went BPA - some went for position - but we know for sure that at least 2 teams (NYR and Edm) thought Schwarz was not the best goalie available at their draft slots. The fact that Schwarz dropped a lot at the draft raised doubts - and his poor early performce this season has raised more. It's far too early to write this kid off - but it will clearly not be smooth sailing with this prospect either.
Doomsday Device said:This isn't about me caring. Jr#9 was asking what publications had Schwarz ahead of Montoya and I just showed him which ones.
Doomsday Device said:This isn't about me caring. Jr#9 was asking what publications had Schwarz ahead of Montoya and I just showed him which ones.
Levitate said:the rangers were supposedly very interested in schwarz at one point, around the time of the world cup i think...hockeyrodent is the one who's sources in the CR reported on this i believe. but yeah, the feeling was that they were definatly very interested at that point...then in the span of a few months they go with montoya.
makes me wonder what made them pick montoya over schwarz but it seems that the rangers at least really compared the two and decided on montoya...
:lol I'd run pretty far..Asiaoil said:Oh man Stich you're in trouble now.......the Oiler board stat fiends are circling. If igor shows up I'd head for the hills
Doomsday Device said:I don't really want to get involved in this skirmish, but I don't think he's lying about publications having Schwarz ahead of Montoya.
The Hockey News had Schwarz at No. 6 overall and Montoya at No. 8 overall.
Redline had Schwarz as the No. 1 goaltender and Montoya as the No. 2
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/columnist/woodlief/2004-06-14-woodlief_x.htm
McKeen's had Schwarz at No. 6 overall and Montoya at No. 9 overall.
http://www.canoe.ca/HockeyNHLDraft/top15.html
ISS was the only one who had it the other way around, with Montoya at No. 7 overall and Schwarz at No. 12 overall.
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/nhlentrydraft.php
Senor Rational said:Deep down, I have a feeling Schnieder will be the best goalie from the draft (for real).
monster_bertuzzi said:Schneider>>Schwarz at this point.
Jay Thompson said:Uhh.. based on what exactly? The NCAA is a significant step down from the WHL, and Schneider is not a starter at the NCAA level yet even.
Schneider seems to be at a 'younger point' in his development compared to Montoya & Schwarz, but right now there's little doubt he's behind the two play-wise.