Marek Schwarz by the numbers

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  1. Jacob

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    23 GP, 10-12, 3.13 GAA, .887 save percentage.

    Averages a mere 26.8 shots per game.

    What's the deal here? I'm not one for stats normally, but these numbers are dreadful.
     
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    Worst save percentage in dub! The guy may be a bust! He was overhyped playing in Europe!
     
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    Mmmmmmaybe the Oilers scouts weren't as crazy as some believed them to be? :D Schwarz hasn't been great yet but I expect him to round into form. His numbers aren't terrific so far but I expect them to be better by the end of the season...
     
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    Schwarz is being ridiculously overworked. Vancouver has a useless backup goalie, they really need to pick up someone competent to give Schwarz some breaks.
     
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    There is likely an adjustment to a new Culture and Language ...but he did have a very sub-par WJC after really have a stellar one the year prior .. So will the real Schwarz please stand up ...
     
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    Antero Niittymaki did the same thing his first year here and he was written off as AHL/European league material by many people who followed him. After adjusting that first season, Niittymaki has dominated these past two years and now looks like he'll be an NHL starter fairly soon.
    I'll definitely wait a while to pass judgement on Schwarz' North American play.
     
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    The problem with the numbers is that they don't tell the whole story.....Just recently vs teh T-birds he let in 5 goals but there was only one that you could fault him on as there were passes going through 2 dmen cross crease for tap ins players left wide open in the slot and such...... THe giants defence has left him out to dry and the only one he should not have allowed was on a bad rebound but other than that he will be better than his numbers show when the Giants get Fistric back and don't play him 3 games in 3 days and absolutley kill the guy.
     
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    I wouldn't put much stock into Schwarz's numbers, so Blues fans can step back from the ledges and release the sharp objects.

    First of all his defence in Vancouver without Fistric is TERRIBLE. Meszaros may be a beast but he cant play 60 minutes a night. Secondly, his back-up is a rookie - a baaaad rookie at that, so his coach is forced to play Schwarz *every* game. Yep, Schwarz has played in every game this season, and that included 5 games in 6 nights. It's quite easy to see what has happened here, Schwarz is fatigued.
     
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    You cant blame some of it on Schwarz. Add that to a change in language and evironment. You cant always be hot. Goalies do have cold streaks. I would be suprised if Schwarz didn't improve soon.
     
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    Don't worry, monster_bertuzzi, we're not on any ledges looking to jump. That just might be because it was well known even before he was drafted that his fundamentals were raw and that he had plenty to work on in his game. Anyone surprised by his unimpressive numbers must not have known much about him before this year and still must not know much about him... other than his numbers, of course.
     
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    Wrong.

    So we're labeling players busts now 5 months after the draft?
     
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    Is there just maybe, possibly, a one a in thousand chance that the Oilers and 15 other teams who passed on Schwarz know something about talent? Dubnyk plays on an even worse team in Kamloops, has played a ton of games, and faces a barrage or rubber every night. Here are his stats:

    19 GP 1097 Min 524 shots 2.350 GAA 0.918 SV%

    ….and Dubnyk had a rough first few games of the season. His SV% in Sept was .862 (clearly sub-standard) but in October it rebounded to .920, and so far for November DD has a .933 SV% and a 1.85 GAA.

    Schwarz clearly has issues moving to N America – but just maybe he isn’t the next Hasek either.
     
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    I still think Schwarz is the best goalie of the draft, and yes I had Montoya ranked higher than him....by 1 spot. Why? I believe Montoya will be a winner in this league and be able to hold teams in when they shouldn't. Athletically and skill-wise, Schwarz is probably the better choice. I'm not sure he will have as illustrious of a career, but he could turn out to be far better than any of his class.

    5 games in 6 nights........thats dumbfounding. Speaks well of the coach's confidence in him, and his lack of confidence in the backup.
     
  15. degroat*

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    Facing more shots is GOOD for a goaltenders save percentage.
     
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    Only if you stop them...
     
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    So horrible defense is a good excuse for Schwarz, but facing a lot of shots isn't a good excuse for Dubnyk? Seems to me like there's a correlation.

    And no, I'm not labeling Schwarz as a bust yet. He very well may be, or he could develop into the player who make fans think "Dominic Who-sek?" If he's playing bad, though, he's playing bad. It happens to draft picks, especially the ones who are high on life because they were drafted.

    It's really not fair to dismiss one player's performance, yet using similar (if not the exact same) logic on your own to excuse poor numbers. Frankly, it's WAY too early to compare any of them.

    But no matter what excuse you wish to use, Schwarz's numbers are bad. I'm in a similar boat as a Kings fan with Tukonen not getting much ice time and getting 5 points in 19 games. I seriously have a hard time comprehending why putting up bad numbers THIS EARLY in development is considered a bad thing.
     
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    Have to keep in mind this is Dubynk's 4th year in the WHL.

    Schwarz will probably need time to adept, and if he is getting overworked and hung out to dry it won't help.
     
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    There is no denying it, Schwartz hasn't been the goalie that he Giants hoped so far. They are struggling on the whole, but Marek needs to be better, and I'm sure he'd be the first to tell you. However there are a lot of intangibles to consider first before you label him a bust, new culture and all...

    I would say from what I have seen his positioning is the problem (at least from highlights) seems he's always got to dive across the net. I have only watched one game live, and Schwartz struggled. I don't know who the Giants have as a goalie coach, but someone has to teach this kid some positioning. Fast and agile, but needs to make himself bigger and have to move less.
     
  22. degroat*

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    Feel free to go back and show me where I made an excuse for Schwarz's numbers. The only thing I have said about them is that they're not surprising given the fact that it was and still is rather well known that his fundamentals need work.
     
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    i tend to think this is a big thing with young goalies, and especially ones with a lot of raw skill. they get by for so long relying on that raw skill that sometimes the crucial but "boring" aspect of the game is left out. though i honestly don't know what level of competition he was up against in the CR compared to where he's at now. but it just seems like a lot of times when you get a young goalie with good skills...the fundamentals are often flawed because they rely on their skill so much. if they can then get the fundamentals down they're fine.
     
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    All I can say is I'm glad the hockey executives that actually make a living developing and implementing prospects have more patience than the typical Hockey's Future poster........
     
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    Even the WHL stat system must have a bias against Blues prospects! Probably God does as well! Hell, my grandma hates Blues prospects, too even if she's never watched a game!

    BIAS BIAS BIAS!!!!!
     
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