Proposal: mantha to montreal for prospects and picks

[Mersss]

Zadina (on a lottery team) outproducing Kotkaniemi (on a playoff team lol).

.457ppg/82 Vs. .393ppg/82

37.48 pts/82 Vs. 32.25 pts/82

----> 2 pims/70gp Vs. 61 pims/150gp <---------

Let's look at the pts relativr to the minutes played. Zadina plats 20min a night cause the Wings are tanking.

Oh and Zadina is a full year older

Oh and KK plays a harder position too, one wherr yiu actually need to fo in the defensive zone and help your dman... you know something Zadina just doesn't do at all!

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Let's look at the pts relativr to the minutes played. Zadina plats 20min a night cause the Wings are tanking.

Oh and Zadina is a full year older

Oh and KK plays a harder position too, one wherr yiu actually need to fo in the defensive zone and help your dman... you know something Zadina just doesn't do at all!

Pffftttt. Wrong again!!
Zadina - TOI

16:18 - '20-'21

15:44 - Career ('19-'21)

Filip Zadina Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

He draws penalties & is known/praised for his strong (& still improving) 2-way game. He's a "complete player" & only getting better, does a lot of things really well that don't necessarily show in stats etc.

So while KK is sitting on his thumbs in the penalty box feeling shame, Zadina has only taken 2pims !!! Two Pims / 70gp ! hahaha.


Back on Topic: Romanov isn't worth his sale/asking price. #4Dman.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Let's look at the pts relativr to the minutes played. Zadina plats 20min a night cause the Wings are tanking.

Oh and Zadina is a full year older

Oh and KK plays a harder position too, one wherr yiu actually need to fo in the defensive zone and help your dman... you know something Zadina just doesn't do at all!

LOL Zadina is getting nowhere near 20 minutes a night, Try more like 16:18 for the 20/21 season.

 

[HabsAddict]

So I think that both sides aren’t really arguing in good faith right now.

Romanov is 100% Montreal’s equivalent of Seider in terms of trade availability. I wouldn’t trade Seider for Mantha straight up, and I wouldn’t expect Montreal to drift away from that logic with Romanov. The value of a young defenseman goes up drastically when it starts to become realized potential at the NHL because you start to buy less what-if and more what-is. Montreal’s pipeline is solid, but takes a significant step back if you remove Romanov.

Their cup window was really not all that real to begin with, and likely will require a retool with some of the elder players set to retire or enter a real decline. As a Wings fan, I can speak from experience that getting loose with the pipeline at this stage will destroy any foundation Montreal may have maintained.

So that’s kind of where I stand with the discussion of is/should Romanov be available via trade.

Now pause. We circle back to Seider, and let’s make sure we get this one thing crystal clear before we wrap this thread up. In no way shape or form is Romanov on the same level as Seider. Given the option to choose their preference to build around, Yzerman, Bergevin, any other NHL GM, prospect writers, analysts, coaches, and fan bases would all choose to build around Moritz Seider. The only place you will find someone who argues the contrary is anywhere a Habs fan wants to get high off their own supply. And that is not to say that Romanov is a bad player...that’s why I laid out the first half of this post. Trying to make an argument that Seider is not on a different level is not an argument that I think can be made with any honest intent.

Ummm....no.

Until a prospect actually plays in the NHL, where grown man with bad facial hair will willingly and continuously try to rearrange his anatomy, he's just a prospect with a lot of potential.

On the other hand, right now, Romanov is playing in the NHL, hitting like a truck and breaking thumbs.

He may be great, he has the potential of greatness, he has greatness written on him....but that is future tense and it must be proven on the ice. Against those hairy man with sticks.

The NHL is littered with great prospects...and great dreams....and great flops.

 

[glenbuis]

2 Habs have already wilted after hearing about the impending MoZilla stompin' that's a comin'. Gallagher & Price. Maybe more, those are just the ones I happen to came across.


https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nh...ip-to-toronto-for-medical-treatment-1.5976577

Wonder if Tatar leaves in UFA.


I bet Romanov ends up being a very good #4. No matter all the little things he supposedly does well, if he's not producing 25-30++, he's a #4 until he actually produces those points.

Mozilla? Are you old enough to have a drivers License ?

 

[glenbuis]

He'll be a #4 at best, Seider is already predicted as a #1 or #2

That’s about all yous got going for yous

 

[MBH]

I take Kotkaniemi over Zadina any day.
I'd need to see more Romanov, but potentially him too.
I don't see Zadina being much more valuable than Tatar has been throughout his career.

 

[alasania94]

Ad hominem attack aside, did you enjoy the MoZilla preview? I'll bet you were too scared to watch it.

Also you have Cpt. Dirty Cheap Shot Weber & Cpt. Street Thug SuperCreepy Perry, so Habs fans have Zero room to talk. It's a clownshow in MTL, the papparazzi, the entitlement of the center of the hockey universe, all the mumbling etc. Perry should order his custom grill now for when MoZilla smashes his teeth & face in.

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you guys are historically bad, with no chance of winning anything in the next 5 years min, sorry man

 

[Techcoockie]

you guys are historically bad, with no chance of winning anything in the next 5 years min, sorry man

Wonder if the Wings will be any competitive in the next 10 years, they have Seider whom I see as a Norris candidate, but apart from him ? bunch of nothing, worst center depth in the NHL for prospect imo

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

you guys are historically bad, with no chance of winning anything in the next 5 years min, sorry man

Hahaha. DET wins it's next Cup before MTL does. 100%


Imagine if MTL hadn't been awarded the 1st TWO picks out of Quebec pre-1967 expansion, giving them an obvious huge & unfair advantage over the rest of the teams. Now imagine none of those players ever suiting up for Montreal, they'd have like maybe 3 Cups !! Hahahaha. (feel free to go into heavy denial mode)


Even in the 70's after the rule change, their roster had players from those rigged drafts that helped them win cups.


Hockey fans who know the history are aware of this. But I suppose you can keep waving your flag & mumbling indecipherable verbal diarrhea. (you're not fooling anybody, save for a few zillenials & younger millenials who aren't aware of the history, yet).

2 legitimate cup wins: 86 & 93. + maybe 1-2 from ancient times.

 

[BarracudaMtl]

DETROIT VS MONTREAL ... its like KONG VS GODZILLA a shitty mess

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Wonder if the Wings will be any competitive in the next 10 years, they have Seider whom I see as a Norris candidate, but apart from him ? bunch of nothing, worst center depth in the NHL for prospect imo

Personally I'm hoping we pick 3rd overall, reach for a center, and then rush him to the NHL before he's ready.

 

[alasania94]

Hahaha. DET wins it's next Cup before MTL does. 100%


Imagine if MTL hadn't been awarded the 1st TWO picks out of Quebec pre-1967 expansion, giving them an obvious huge & unfair advantage over the rest of the teams. Now imagine none of those players ever suiting up for Montreal, they'd have like maybe 3 Cups !! Hahahaha. (feel free to go into heavy denial mode)


Even in the 70's after the rule change, their roster had players from those rigged drafts that helped them win cups.


Hockey fans who know the history are aware of this. But I suppose you can keep waving your flag & mumbling indecipherable verbal diarrhea. (you're not fooling anybody, save for a few zillenials & younger millenials who aren't aware of the history, yet).

2 legitimate cup wins: 86 & 93. + maybe 1-2 from ancient times.

I'm sorry about your prospect pool man...so sorry

 

[sansabri]

Hahaha. DET wins it's next Cup before MTL does. 100%


Imagine if MTL hadn't been awarded the 1st TWO picks out of Quebec pre-1967 expansion, giving them an obvious huge & unfair advantage over the rest of the teams. Now imagine none of those players ever suiting up for Montreal, they'd have like maybe 3 Cups !! Hahahaha. (feel free to go into heavy denial mode)


Even in the 70's after the rule change, their roster had players from those rigged drafts that helped them win cups.


Hockey fans who know the history are aware of this. But I suppose you can keep waving your flag & mumbling indecipherable verbal diarrhea. (you're not fooling anybody, save for a few zillenials & younger millenials who aren't aware of the history, yet).

2 legitimate cup wins: 86 & 93. + maybe 1-2 from ancient times.

yet here you are

 

[Dirty Dog]

The value depends on if teams are trading for Mantha or the Myth of Mantha. He is going to be 27 soon and has never cracked 50 points, is injury prone, and still ain’t producing fully

I really like the player, but he is constantly over hyped

@WingsMJN2965 Another year of reinhart out producing him

 

[beowulf]

Romanov has NEVER put up big offensive production in any league, anytime, anywhere, ever!
Even if you combine teams/leagues for each year/season, same blah results.

So if he's not the next premier shutdown Dman a la Konstantinov (not necessarily stylistically), but his on ice effect vs. opponents, then why is he sooooo over-hyped ?

Bergy and/or at least the MTL fan base seems reticent to include Romanov in any proposals, which is the asking price, or sale price for AM. A legit Top6/L1 Goal scoring winger, with size, speed, reach, snarl, decent enough defensively, fights, hits, good teammate, great $ & term on contract, in his prime....For a overhyped Dprospect with very little production. Wow.

More than other fan base they overrate their prospects. Remember Noal Juulsen? Victor Mete? that other guy? the one before that dude?

Just b/c he's MTL's best D prospect, doesn't mean he's great. He may be decent or even good, later on, but maybe try reigning in the overhype train from warp speed a bit.

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You really have no idea who Romanov is and how to look past scoring results do you? Do you even watch and know anything about hockey?

Juulsen had some hype but never huge hype even by Habs fans. He has never been able to have an injury free season...hard to progress with lingering effects of a concussion, but still has potential and if he is so bad why did Florida pick him off waivers? He is all of 24, which he turned less than a week ago, and when healthy has shown himself to be very capable.

Mete was forced into the NHL waaaay too early because of Bergevin being an idiot and trade Sergachev or Droin and then not doing what was necessary to sign Markov to one last contract at the time leaving the Habs with no puck moving/skating dman, especially on the left side a problem that has persisted until this year. He is only 22 and already in his 4th NHL season with 183 games of experience. He was able to show that was not out of place during his rookie season given his age, being a 4th rounder and size but he was never hyped as you put it.

Now as for Romanov, have you actually watched him play? This year and in the past? Dude is good, offense will come in time as he gets more responsibility. You complain about his low offensive numbers but you are looking at him playing in the KHL as a teenager with men much older than him. Funny you don't mention the 2019 and 2020 world juniors during which he combined for 14 games 2 goals and 12 assists for 14 points, so a PPG average against arguably the best players his age and is also good for 21st all time for dmen at the tourney and in 2019 he won best dmen of the tourney.

It's not only Habs fans and management that saw the potential in him and the "hype" is from all over. Dude is good and should be great in the NHL.

Canadiens rookie Alexander Romanov is living up to all the hype

His poise and presence, meanwhile, has made him look more like a veteran than a player just cutting his teeth in the league, something that’s been noticed by his more seasoned teammates.
“I think he’s stepped in and played a big part,” said defenceman Jeff Petry. “If you were to throw him out there without a number on his back, or know who he is, you wouldn’t pinpoint him as a guy that’s only played six games in this league.”
Just over a year ago, Romanov showed promise but it remained to be seen what he’d be able to provide to the Canadiens. Partway through last season, general manager Marc Bergevin told the media there was a good chance the 38th overall draft choice from 2018 would be with the team the following year.
Unless you were heavy into the Kontinental Hockey League, it’s likely that you saw him for the first time at the 2020 world junior championship in the Czech Republic.
He helped the Russians to a silver medal at the tournament, losing to the future No. 1 overall pick Alexis Lafreniere and the Canadians in the gold-medal game while also being named to the All-Star team selected by the media. Months later, he joined the Canadiens in the playoff bubble in Toronto.

Canadiens confident arrival of top prospect Alex Romanov is imminent - Sportsnet.ca

Bleacher report had him as 20th best prospect going into this season and 8th for dmen.

1. 
   20. Alexander Romanov, D, Montreal Canadiens
   The 20-year-old Russian blueliner is no giant at 5'11" and 185 pounds, but he's a great skater with good offensive skills and likes to play physically, though his decision-making can be iffy from time to time. Romanov was with the Canadiens in their return-to-play training camp to get exposure to the NHL and is set to return to camp next time around, too.

Alexander Romanov appears to be the best prospect the Canadiens have ever seen


So ya the hype is real and really deserved. Time will tell if he lives up to all of it but we shall see.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Hahaha. DET wins it's next Cup before MTL does. 100%


Imagine if MTL hadn't been awarded the 1st TWO picks out of Quebec pre-1967 expansion, giving them an obvious huge & unfair advantage over the rest of the teams. Now imagine none of those players ever suiting up for Montreal, they'd have like maybe 3 Cups !! Hahahaha. (feel free to go into heavy denial mode)


Even in the 70's after the rule change, their roster had players from those rigged drafts that helped them win cups.


Hockey fans who know the history are aware of this. But I suppose you can keep waving your flag & mumbling indecipherable verbal diarrhea. (you're not fooling anybody, save for a few zillenials & younger millenials who aren't aware of the history, yet).

2 legitimate cup wins: 86 & 93. + maybe 1-2 from ancient times.

You probably need to any research into the history of the league in general if you don't want to look even more foolish. Montreal never got a meaningful competitive advantage from the French Canadian option.

Hell, they never even used the French Canadian option until 1968 and the only player of note they got from it was Houle. The Habs historic success was based on Selke's sponsoring of junior and minor league teams across NA and Pollock's understanding of the true value of draft picks before any other team. In much the same way that Detroit's more recent success was based on their understanding the value of European players before most teams.

In general, success in the NHL (and most sports leagues, and hell, most businesses) is finding competitive advantages before your competition and exploiting those advantages. That's not easy, and is even hard for guys that have done them once to do it again.

 

[BHD]

Since nobody is talking about Mantha at this point...