Kryoptix said:
where did I said that ..
don't put word in my mouth !!
I didn't put words in your mouth. Or if I did so it is a misunderstanding.
He said something to the effect of: maybe Malkin will be a Fedorov/Sakic, maybe he'll be a Kozlov/Antropov.
You asked why he was down on Malkin.
Do I get all of this right?
To me, the fact he gave two scenarios,
both of them suggesting that Malkin will be at the very least an average NHL forward and possibly at the level of two of the league's best centers, and that you still came away with the impression that he was down on Malkin is completely illogical.
If anything, Jason was
very nice, and not "down" on the guy in any way, shape or form.
Kryoptix said:
Kozlov and Antropov are both one of the biggest busts ever from Russia ..
both are considered average to poor skater ..
both play when they want to play ...
and both can't raise their game when their teams need it !!
Malkin from ALL the games i've seen .. he's the total opposite of this ..
If you want to list the biggest busts out of Russia, why don't you start with the players who can't even cut it? There's a load of Russians who can't even skate a lick in the AHL and never make the NHL.
Viktor Kozlov throughouit his NHL career has an average of 50 points per 82 games. That's really not bad at all. Yeah, he pisses me off with all the issues he has but that's still a very decent player.
As a worse-case scenario, I don't see how this can be an insult.
Good for you if you like Malkin from ALL the games you have seen (although I disagree that he's better than Ovechkin) but all those games are from a couple of tournaments, some of it from junior stuff against kids who can't shave.
I want to see what he will do in the NHL.
Kryoptix said:
Malkin from ALL the games i've seen .. he's the total opposite of this ..
he's fast (like it or not) ... he always gives his best .. and he always seem to me(again the game i've seen) better by a fair margin than Ovechkin ..
while Ovechkin is considered the next coming russian ..
Malkin is considered the next russian bust .. explain me that ..
I'd have trouble explaining you that. Since a significant number of posters seem to be under the impression that Malkin is better than Ovechkin by a fair margin. They are sorely mistaken, IMO.
All this to say, I think there's a pretty nice Malkin bandwagon going on and if anything, at this point he may be a bit overhyped.
Kryoptix said:
I'm not saying Malkin can't bust but I have hard time beleiving it can't go both way with him and Ovechkin!
It can. Who said otherwise?
Kryoptix said:
Federov is maybe very high on you(I fully understand) but to think that Malkin can't reach that level is beyond stupidity .. and I always or let's say most the time agree with you when you rant against prospect that go overrated ..
I didn't say that he couldn't reach this level. (they're different players and not a good comparison anyway. But yeah, maybe he could reach that level of impact)
But since you mention it, I think that is highly unlikely. Fedorov is a world-class talent, who had a phenomenal first half of a career.
Kudos to Malkin if he can ever be as good as Sergei was in the NHL. Few players can. Personally, I haven't seen the tools in him to be that good.
Anyway, I think if someone is under the impression that he can be as good as Fedorov or as bad as Kozlov, I think it's pretty flattering. Certainly not a negative statement if that's the worse one anticipates for Malkin.