Makar and MacKinnon Vs Dahlin and Peak Peter Forsberg for this season?

[Sabresruletheschool]

Makar in Buffalo would be like Makar playing on Colorado

Dahlin in Colorado would still struggle


They aren’t the same

You know what? Your right. If Makar would of been on Buffalo instead of Dahlin, Buffalo would of easily made the playoffs, if not won the cup. Because with Markar, you don't need anyone else. Forwards that can score? Pffft, don't need them with Markar. He can just take it end to end all game long and scored at least a dozen hat tricks. Forwards that's can keep the puck in the offensive zone? Yeah right, Markar could just dangle around everyone for half the game until he gets bored and rockets it into the net. Team defense?? Don't need it with Markar. He's so fast he can cover all five guys at once!! A good goalie?? Not with Markar. Because if the other team ever happens to get a shot off Markar turns into Hasek because nothing gets by the Makarnator.

 

[Regal]

I think this is something that really needs a full year from Dahlin this year to assess. He started to turn the corner last year and has started well this year. If he can put himself in the elite defenseman category with a strong year, it makes for a compelling debate, but Makar has just been so much better to start their careers, that it’s not worth losing out on an elite defenseman just to upgrade to Forsberg from an already elite 1C in MacKinnon.

 

[Three On Zero]

Lol ok. I'm sure Markar playing on a last place teams would look just terrific....

Makar is a defensive talent the league hasn’t seen in quite some time. You can’t say the same for Dahlin.

 

[GOALOFSSON]

There's a reason he was always rated so highly from everyone - there's still a chance he could match and even surpass Makar.

There absolutely is and you wouldn't know it watching him play for Krueger.

Makar in Buffalo would be like Makar playing on Colorado

Dahlin in Colorado would still struggle


They aren’t the same

Dahlin would most likely not struggle on that Avs team at all.

Makar would struggle under Krueger since he simply wouldn't be allowed to do what he does. Would probably get benched. If that sounds wierd, ya it sucked.

Let's see,
Dahlin:
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Makar:
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Add a 2nd place Norris finish, a Norris trophy, a Conn Smythe. So tell me how you would describe them? They're close? lol.

Everyone makes the Buffalo vs Colorado argument, ever think that Colorado is good because they have Makar?

Focusing on career numbers is weak.

Tell this to the poster above.

 

[Muffin]

There absolutely is and you wouldn't know it watching him play for Krueger.




Dahlin would most likely not struggle on that Avs team at all.

Makar would struggle under Krueger since he simply wouldn't be allowed to do what he does. Would probably get benched. If that sounds wierd, ya it sucked.









Tell this to the poster above.

How else would you want to compare them? Last season? I assume I don't have to remind you what Makar did last season. 5 game sample size? Because clearly Nichukin>McDavid.

There is not even one argument for Dahlin being close to the same level as Makar. Let's talk when Dahlin has a top 10 Norris finish, you know something Makar did in his rookie year.

 

[God]

how did you come up with this question

 

[Three On Zero]

How else would you want to compare them? Last season? I assume I don't have to remind you what Makar did last season. 5 game sample size? Because clearly Nichukin>McDavid.

There is not even one argument for Dahlin being close to the same level as Makar. Let's talk when Dahlin has a top 10 Norris finish, you know something Makar did in his rookie year.

Dahlin is more in a tier with Hughes, Makar is more in a tier with the best players in the league.

Rather large difference

 

[tsujimoto74]

ITT: More people idiotically comparing Dahlin at ages 18-21 (on a garbage team with a soccer coach) to Makar at ages 21-24 (on a contender stacked with other talented players).

 

[Muffin]

ITT: More people idiotically comparing Dahlin at ages 18-21 (on a garbage team with a soccer coach) to Makar at ages 21-24 (on a contender stacked with other talented players).

You mean ITT people idiotically comparing a hot 5 game streak by Dahlin to the best defenseman in the league.

 

[tsujimoto74]

You mean ITT people idiotically comparing a hot 5 game streak by Dahlin to the best defenseman in the league.

The fact that you think Dahlin magically got good 5 games ago only helps prove my point

 

[Muffin]

The fact that you think Dahlin magically got good 5 games ago only helps prove my point

Is he Makar good? Would anyone put him in the top 10 best defenseman in the league? Top 20? Don't think so.

No one would even think about comparing Dahlin to Makar if not for draft position and predraft hype. Taking into account their ACTUALY body of work in the NHL they're not even close to being in the same tier.

 

[dortt]

Dahlin is rapidly becoming an elite #1 defenseman

Makar is a true generational talent, the first since Hasek. Big difference between the two

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

Dahlin is rapidly becoming an elite #1 defenseman

Makar is a true generational talent, the first since Hasek. Big difference between the two

Nonsense. Dahlin was constantly regarded as generational talent at the time he was drafted, Makar was not. Dahlin played in the NHL against the best players in the world as a skinny eighteen year old on a team that was a tire fire. Markar did not. You can't compare the two since they took different paths on two different teams that were on total opposite sides of the talent pole.

 

[dortt]

Nonsense. Dahlin was constantly regarded as generational talent at the time he was drafted, Makar was not. Dahlin played in the NHL against the best players in the world as a skinny eighteen year old on a team that was a tire fire. Markar did not. You can't compare the two since they took different paths on two different teams that were on total opposite sides of the talent pole.

This is an example of an irrational Dahlin fan, who cannot accept that someone may be better than Dahlin.

Dahlin was considered generational pre draft? Who gives a shit.

Makar has been the better player and is proving he is the generational talent in the NHL. Dahlin is one peg lower as a franchise elite #1 defenseman

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

I just find it hilarious how people compare the careers of guy who played in the NHL at eighteen on the worst team in the league to a guy that started when he was 22 on a Stanley Cup contending team. Like thier age doesn't make a huge factor.

 

[Three On Zero]

ITT: More people idiotically comparing Dahlin at ages 18-21 (on a garbage team with a soccer coach) to Makar at ages 21-24 (on a contender stacked with other talented players).

ITT: people showing they aren’t falling for the fake Dahlin hype over the best 5 game stretch of his career. Let the guy be consistent for at least a season so he can be in a tier with a defenceman like Hughes. He’s not even close to being in the conversation with Makar yet

 

[Signupnow]

This is an example of an irrational Dahlin fan, who cannot accept that someone may be better than Dahlin.

Dahlin was considered generational pre draft? Who gives a shit.

Makar has been the better player and is proving he is the generational talent in the NHL. Dahlin is one peg lower as a franchise elite #1 defenseman

generational makar. Is he really better than Ray borque and nick lidstrom who has more rings and norrises than makar can count? Seems like makar had a very easy way to be the undisputed best since x compared to other players.

On topic, I think its nice to see that dahlin and the whole team is doing better. It isnt easy to play with a bad team. I dont know if anyone of you can relate but how easy is it to play a team game full of noobs when you are facing elite oppoenents. Yeah , you can stick out of the masses since the average is so low but it will also provide negative statistics and output since you cant carry everyone by yourself.

Put Messi in a random Canadian fotball team and have them play Real Madrid and see how well he will do. My guess, not so much since noone can string a pass together.

 

[HockeyWooot]

Mackinnon and Makar for me.

Dahlin a development though can close the gap though.

Also for Forsberg, would he have the footspeed to put up that level of production in the current NHL?

 

[dortt]

I just find it hilarious how people compare the careers of guy who played in the NHL at eighteen on the worst team in the league to a guy that started when he was 22 on a Stanley Cup contending team. Like thier age doesn't make a huge factor.

Makar was drafted only a year before Dahlin. He's only 18 months older. He didn't start in the NHL at 22

 

[Buck Naked]

Makar is a true generational talent, the first since Hasek. Big difference between the two

Did you eat hyperbole for breakfast? Get the f*** out of here with Makar being generational.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

Makar was drafted only a year before Dahlin. He's only 18 months older. He didn't start in the NHL at 22

He'll be 24 in a few days. He played ten games as a 21 year old, and started the next season as a 21 year old for a couple games and turned 22. So his first full season, he was 22 minus about 5 games. Dahlin played as an eighteen year old. For the Sabres. Trying to compare his first few years in the league to Markars is a joke. Of course Markars going to look better starting as a 22 year old on a playoff team.

Makar was drafted only a year before Dahlin. He's only 18 months older. He didn't start in the NHL at 22

And only 18 months is 2 years in hockey. Dahlin played the entire first season as an eighteen year old. Markar played a handful of games as a 21 year old and turned 22. So when you break it down by age when playing, all of a sudden Markar doesn't look that much better, if at all.

 

[Eltuna]

He'll be 24 in a few days. He played ten games as a 21 year old, and started the next season as a 21 year old for a couple games and turned 22. So his first full season, he was 22 minus about 5 games. Dahlin played as an eighteen year old. For the Sabres. Trying to compare his first few years in the league to Markars is a joke. Of course Markars going to look better starting as a 22 year old on a playoff team.


And only 18 months is 2 years in hockey. Dahlin played the entire first season as an eighteen year old. Markar played a handful of games as a 21 year old and turned 22. So when you break it down by age when playing, all of a sudden Markar doesn't look that much better, if at all.

To be fair you can’t really compare anyones first few years to Makars, has a defenceman ever started off better through their first three years in NHL history?

Top 2 in all time playoff ppg, top 3 in all time regular season ppg, Calder, top 2 Norris finish & then a Norris win, Conn Smythe win, & a cup. Tough for anyone to compete with that.

 

[Regal]

He'll be 24 in a few days. He played ten games as a 21 year old, and started the next season as a 21 year old for a couple games and turned 22. So his first full season, he was 22 minus about 5 games. Dahlin played as an eighteen year old. For the Sabres. Trying to compare his first few years in the league to Markars is a joke. Of course Markars going to look better starting as a 22 year old on a playoff team.


And only 18 months is 2 years in hockey. Dahlin played the entire first season as an eighteen year old. Markar played a handful of games as a 21 year old and turned 22. So when you break it down by age when playing, all of a sudden Markar doesn't look that much better, if at all.

You’re a year off. Makar played in the playoffs at 20 in 2019, started his rookie year in 19-20 at 20 for the first 11 games, then played the rest of the season as a 21 year old

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

You’re a year off. Makar played in the playoffs at 20 in 2019, started his rookie year in 19-20 at 20 for the first 11 games, then played the rest of the season as a 21 year old

You're right. I was off a year. Still, there's a lot of difference between a 21 year old entering the league and an eighteen year old.

 

[avsfan9]

I just find it hilarious how people compare the careers of guy who played in the NHL at eighteen on the worst team in the league to a guy that started when he was 22 on a Stanley Cup contending team. Like thier age doesn't make a huge factor.

Makar could have probably played on the Avs at 18 but chose not to and commited to go to school for two years instead to better his career. Dahlin would probably been better off doing the same. If Makar chose to play at 18 Dahlin probably wouldn’t hold the record for points by a teenage d man.