In observing Carlyle, I'm of the mindset that an underlying motive (beyond icing a winning team each game) is to prepare this team for the grind of playoff hockey. In his mind, physical play will be even more important then and if he can give a player like Orr higher minutes now, it will only return dividends in the playoffs.
In observing Carlyle, I'm of the mindset that an underlying motive (beyond icing a winning team each game) is to prepare this team for the grind of playoff hockey. In his mind, physical play will be even more important then and if he can give a player like Orr higher minutes now, it will only return dividends in the playoffs.
I like it for now and next few games. When Frattin comes back he will bump Orr which is perfectly acceptable. Orr has been working his ass off this season. Hes fought his demons in Engelland and Parros, has taken some heavy punches, chin looks great. He's added on the score sheet and has been defensively responsible.
Orr is definitely still a 4th-liner max, but he has been good for the last couple games on that line. Does exactly what is asked/needed of him.
Congrats to him on his recovery too. I thought he was done.
Congrats to him on his recovery too. I thought he was done.
Carlyle disagrees. When Kessels line needs Orr to take a shift to take care of business,he will be in shape to ride shotgun with any line. I like it.
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Although Orr is a far greater fourth liner than third liner. The fact remains this guy plays a key part in the cycle method Carlyle takes on. He is vicious when it comes to dump and chase and is a great checker and shot blocker. He has come a long way and even though he will not be on the third line much longer, he certainly deserved the extra minutes.
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Exactly, now's the time to get Orr to replace Bozak, what a lovely reward for Orr and I'm sure Kessel and JVR would be enthused.
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It's completely idiotic to have Orr playing anything more than 4th line minutes. Carlyle is lucky it's not hindering that line as of right now. As soon as Macarthur starts struggling he'll realize how much of a black hole Orr is.
showtime8
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The only way that line is successful is because they are sheltered. Is another team really going to try and match lines to shutdown MacArthur and Kadri over Kessel and JVR?
It is good to see them successful for a stretch here, but when Kadri starts to struggle, they are going to point the finger right back at Orr being on that line.
It is good to see them successful for a stretch here, but when Kadri starts to struggle, they are going to point the finger right back at Orr being on that line.
As a practical line, it's not the greatest set up having Orr out there with Kadri and Mac, but I can't be against a line that hasn't done poorly. As a fill-in, I'm fine with Orr there, because he's worked his ass off to get to where he is now, but yeah, as soon as Frattin or Lupul comes back, he's obviously back to the 4th line. And then when both are back, something will have to be done with Mac, Steckel or one of the D-men...
Orr on the 3rd line, isn't about ORR on the 3rd line, it's about rewarding players.
Orr is Caryles example, IF YOU PLAY HARD, you will play more.
I've coached before, although basketball, and I sent the same message, I made it clear to the team, if you played hard, and practised, you'd play. I had a kid who didn't play much in junior high, but he had the heart of a lion. The kid worked his tail off, and by the end of the year, I only took him off the court to get a breather.. but the kid set a precedent, and other kids followed his example. I needed that kid, just as much as he needed me, because if I didn't have one person willing to leave it all on the floor, then it would've been difficult to implement the mind set.
Orr isn't going to magically turn into a selke candidate, 3rd liner (he'll be back on the 4th line when the team is healthy), but he is setting a precedent... and he's just as important to Caryle, as Caryle is too his comeback.
Orr is Caryles example, IF YOU PLAY HARD, you will play more.
I've coached before, although basketball, and I sent the same message, I made it clear to the team, if you played hard, and practised, you'd play. I had a kid who didn't play much in junior high, but he had the heart of a lion. The kid worked his tail off, and by the end of the year, I only took him off the court to get a breather.. but the kid set a precedent, and other kids followed his example. I needed that kid, just as much as he needed me, because if I didn't have one person willing to leave it all on the floor, then it would've been difficult to implement the mind set.
Orr isn't going to magically turn into a selke candidate, 3rd liner (he'll be back on the 4th line when the team is healthy), but he is setting a precedent... and he's just as important to Caryle, as Caryle is too his comeback.
Irish Leaf
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Delighted for all of them especially MacArthur, he's my favourite player i reckon him and Kadri will do some serious damage, they're both playmakers Kadri the sniper and MacArthur with the bomb of a slap shot.
As long as the Kessel line keeps drawing the top checking assignment away from Kadri's line it seems like not even plugs like Orr will weight him down.
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Without a big player on Kessel's line, I prefer JVR where he is. Lupul's not quite the PPG player he was with Kessel, but with Kadri and Frattin, that could be a pretty lethal combo.
JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Frattin
McClement-Grabovski-Kulemin
That checking line leaves a bit to be desired, namely with Grabovski centering it, but those top two lines are pretty nice offensively. Kadri and Frattin are already sheltered, but having a sheltered Lupul might be a pretty ugly surprise for anyone looking to shut down the offense. I get the impression that much of the league treats the Kadri line as a non-threat. Plus, I've heard that Lupul has taken Kadri under his wing, so that could be a nice bonus.
Love that line. Hardest working line on our team by far. Everyone finishes their checks and leaves it all on the ice. Really impressed by Kadri too. I knew he was talented but 14 points thus far ? I don't think anyone expected that.
MuchoMacho
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I agree with you. It's not like Orr was in a slump and Carlyle put him on the third line to get him going. Orr was playing really well and he's being rewarded. That does a lot for team morale. When Lupul and Frattin are back, Orr will be back on the fourth line but he'll know that if he plays well and a spot opens up, his coach will reward him.
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Apart of me truly believes that if he didn't have Orr as a linemate, no way he would have done all of that with Hedman. Just goes to show when you have backup, you become fearless 
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Apart of me truly believes that if he didn't have Orr as a linemate, no way he would have done all of that with Hedman. Just goes to show when you have backup, you become fearless
Kadri actually looked like he was waiting for Orr to come in and start power bombing everyone. Then he must've realized shortly afterwards that Orr was nowhere to be found and had to fight his own battle.
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