Rumor: Luke Glendening linked to Toronto (Pagnotta The Fourth Period)

[Leaf Fans]

A 2nd round pick is nearly meaningless to Toronto. They have prospects they can part with too. Want to contend? Do it. Not saying Glendening is the only option but he definitely fits a need and would improve Toronto, even if just a little bit. That’s kinda what the TDL is about. If you’re cheap, you’ll be left without improvements wondering ’what if’ after another 1st round exit as you hope that 2nd/3rd round pick develops into something good 7 years down the line.

I often hear this rhetoric about Toronto 's first round exits by not making a trade. Make the picks conditional on that success.

 

[NK94]

If Glendening the player is worth that, then a bad team like DET could really use him and wouldn't have to give up a pick and a prospect for him.

Glendening the player certainly isn't worth one of their best forward prospects and a mid-round pick, no.

 

[Menzinger]

I think the Leafs will be aiming higher with their limited available capspace. The 4th line hasn't been a problem anyways for the team

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

I think the Leafs will be aiming higher with their limited available capspace. The 4th line hasn't been a problem anyways for the team

I think he plays on their third line if they deal for him...

I don't think he is the guy you want against McDavid. Hard to say Larkin always checks McDavid and MacKinnon for the pure speed part of it. Though Luke takes the odd shift, but he likely will play a decent chunk of time. He can eliminate one of the better scoring lines in most of your other matchups. We remember in Detroit he had the Palat - Johnson - Kucherov line completely tied up the first time we played the Tampa in the playoffs. Was just dominating them with in their shirt checking. He got his hand stepped on in a scrum and Datsyuk was given the assignment for the rest of game 4 and game 5 which Gledening did play in with a ton of stitches in that hand. We went from about to go up 3-1 to losing the series, he took it back in game 6 and 7 but the damage was kind of done with Datsyuk failing. Yeah that Datsyuk. If you want a guy to basically be in another players uniform and be the most annoying checking player this is one of your guys. Also for a team that has had some intestinal fortitude problems having a guy like Glendening that walked on at U of M, came up through the ECHL and just earns every inch might be a good thing.

I know this having watched him, when the Leafs are melting in a game this year, if he is there he is going to run the other team's best player and get the guys going. Even on a dogshit loser of a team the reverence around Glendening in our dressing room and from the guys that work out with him in the off-season is pretty massive. He is a pros pro and honestly something I think is missing from that team. I won't cry for it, I don't want to watch it as someone that was taught growing up in the Norris era to never root for Toronto. But watch Hyman and what he says if they acquire Glendening, his former college captain and linemate during his sophomore year.

If you play Simmonds and Thornton as the thirds on your top 6 lines.

I think a Hyman - Glendening - Mikheyev line has a chance to absolutely be a dominant shutdown checking line. I know most see Hyman up the lineup, it is just something to think about. They could skate with anybody, pound your skill players below the line in the offensive zone and just wear you out over a series. Plus it means one of Matthews or Tavares is getting a layup of an assignment in most cases.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

No reason to low ball on Glendening. We can offer a lot of different things. 2022 draft is not off the table either.

honestly If I’m yzerman id ask for a ‘22 pick

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

A bad team like Detroit probably shouldn't be letting their UFA walk for nothing

Either he gets traded or re-signs, I can’t see yzerman just letting him walk if he can help it

 

[Dr Quincy]

A 2nd round pick is nearly meaningless to Toronto. They have prospects they can part with too. Want to contend? Do it. Not saying Glendening is the only option but he definitely fits a need and would improve Toronto, even if just a little bit. That’s kinda what the TDL is about. If you’re cheap, you’ll be left without improvements wondering ’what if’ after another 1st round exit as you hope that 2nd/3rd round pick develops into something good 7 years down the line.

Luke Glendening is not the difference between contending or not.
Luke Glendening is not the difference between 1st rd exit or not.

 

[Richard Menzel]

3rd and a B prospect?


I'd be pretty surprised to see him get a 2nd round pick, he just doesn't bring enough offense to justify it

How many 4th line players are offense driven??? You want Glendening because he is the best face-off man in the league and can kill penalties.

 

[Srsly]

Is he that much better than Boyd was playing at this point? I’m a little confused but I guess it’s hard to gauge with the Wings struggles as of late.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

LGD is Draper-lite, he will score some timely goals/assists, while shutting down the Top6 opponents L1/L2 etc. Best FO, great PK, great team/glue guy, oozes character & 150% effort, every shift, every night. Physical, in your face, irritating as hell for the opponent. Small cap, UFA, retention available. A 2nd + b-level (C/LD) prospect will be well worth it. Imagine him shutting down (if TML get that far) Cirelli's line , or Krejci's line, perhaps even Point/Bergy?

These are the foot soldiers who galvanize teams & help lead by example. How often do we see the soft & skilled players dry up in the post season, often. He is the exact opposite. He scores ugly goals & the seldom backhand, hence the moniker "Back Hand Luke". Garbage goals in the playoffs are Yuge, as is his impact.

Even when he's not on the scoresheet 2/3 games, he's doing ALL the little things that help tilt the ice. Trap the opponent in their Dzone, quick line change & bam, Marner scores. Yep, just like that.

I have no doubt he gets a 2nd+ probably b-level propsect (C/LD). Possibly a small bidding war upto a late 1st.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Luke Glendening is not the difference between contending or not.
Luke Glendening is not the difference between 1st rd exit or not.

You can say that about literally every bottom 6F, bottom 3D, backup goalie, AHL call-up, assistant coach etc. But somewhere, the difference between contending and not exists among that personnel just like it does among the core players. Winning a cup is about the sum of the parts.
Anyone can see that the Leafs could stand to improve their faceoffs and penalty killing. Two things Glendening does well. If you want to add someone that singlehandedly is the difference between a contender and not, you will be looking at trading guys like Nylander+, not what we're talking about; a 2nd round pick.

 

[Dr Quincy]

You can say that about literally every bottom 6F, bottom 3D, backup goalie, AHL call-up, assistant coach etc. But somewhere, the difference between contending and not exists among that personnel just like it does among the core players. Winning a cup is about the sum of the parts.
Anyone can see that the Leafs could stand to improve their faceoffs and penalty killing. Two things Glendening does well. If you want to add someone that singlehandedly is the difference between a contender and not, you will be looking at trading guys like Nylander+, not what we're talking about; a 2nd round pick.

3 main problems with your theory:

1) DET's PK with the great Luke Glendening is worse than TOR's without the great Luke Glendening, and is 3rd or 4th from the bottom of the league.

2) TOR is top 10 in the league on FOW%- I mean it's like you guys for some reason are building a need for a replacement level player with a specific skillset... yet the team you think should trade for him doesn't have a need there.

3) You presuppose that the only player available who could improve TOR's pk is Luke Glendening. There may be players internally who could do that. Players available on waivers who could do that. Players available for a trade where a team is realistic about returns and doesn't think this player would return something ridiculous like many DET fans are saying in this thread.

Finally, rebuilding a team is about the sum of its parts and insulating young players by having key vets to do some of the dirty work.

Amazing that Red Wings fans are so desperate to send off this perfect soldier who fills so many roles.

 

[Pavels Dog]

3 main problems with your theory:

1) DET's PK with the great Luke Glendening is worse than TOR's without the great Luke Glendening, and is 3rd or 4th from the bottom of the league.

2) TOR is top 10 in the league on FOW%- I mean it's like you guys for some reason are building a need for a replacement level player with a specific skillset... yet the team you think should trade for him doesn't have a need there.

3) You presuppose that the only player available who could improve TOR's pk is Luke Glendening. There may be players internally who could do that. Players available on waivers who could do that. Players available for a trade where a team is realistic about returns and doesn't think this player would return something ridiculous like many DET fans are saying in this thread.

Finally, rebuilding a team is about the sum of its parts and insulating young players by having key vets to do some of the dirty work.

Amazing that Red Wings fans are so desperate to send off this perfect soldier who fills so many roles.

Personally I'm not desperate to send him off at all (hence why I don't think it's even worth it if the return would be a ~4th rounder) and I would love to re-sign him in the offseason regardless if he's traded or not. He's a great guy to have around and we have no immediate replacement for what he does. I'm also pragmatic and obviously in a rebuild adding futures is important and I also believe Glendening deserves a shot at playing for a good team.

What I take issue with is the idea that Glendening would serve no purpose on the Leafs, or that his value is extremely low.

1) Is just silly. It would be like saying you wouldn't want to add Kaprizov to your team and your powerplay since Minnesota's PP is league worst.
2) is simplified. Again, none of the guys driving the overall faceoff stats for Toronto are playing PK. It's also a very losing attitude to say "we're 8th, that's good enough". Cup winners try to improve even areas that are "pretty good".
3) Sure. So do that. If you think guys that can go 60+% on faceoffs are on waivers, easily acquired for nothing, or sitting on your AHL team, go with them.

 

[4thline]

I think he plays on their third line if they deal for him...
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I think a Hyman - Glendening - Mikheyev line has a chance to absolutely be a dominant shutdown checking line. I know most see Hyman up the lineup, it is just something to think about. They could skate with anybody, pound your skill players below the line in the offensive zone and just wear you out over a series. Plus it means one of Matthews or Tavares is getting a layup of an assignment in most cases.

I honestly think this perception is what leads to the disconnect on value. Sure Glen plays that role (matchup) and earns your respect for the effort he plays it with, but honestly his/ his lines' inability to succeed in that role is a big reason that Detroit is having the (lack) of success that it is. The guy is -33 5v5 in 90 games these last two years, and the analytics support that top line inference - that he gets caved in in that role and is playing over his head. That result leads to people that don't factor in his role concluding that he's a garbage player when he's not, he's just miscast.

But a team like Toronto isn't/ shouldn't value him based on a role that he doesn't succeed at on a much worse team playing him there out of necessity, they'll value based on where he'd thrive and contribute on their team, which is a rock solid 4C and primary pk option.

 

[LFCTML]

3 line C. 4th line C.

Unless you think Engvall is the God of hockey, then you do this deal.

That's kind of a naïve view, IMO. Engvall is serviceable enough as a #4C for sure.

The difference in value for the Leafs between Engvall and Glendening isn't a 2nd, IMO. Maybe he's worth that to other teams - I can't say.
But if we're set on upgrading the position, it makes a lot more sense to add an asset to the 2nd and go for Granlund.

 

[Cor]

Glendening @50%

For

Hallander
Toronto 3rd, 2023

Not in a million years are we giving up that value for a fourth line Center.

Counter with a fourth round pick

 

[Cor]

There is a difference between not costing a ton, and most fans talking about it costing a 2nd, or 3rd+good prospect.

He is a fine #4C, but that I cant see Dubas offering what people are asking for on here.

Leafs PK has been bad, but mostly because or atrocious goaltending from Anderson on the PK.

Of penalty kill forwards with 25+ SH TOI, Luke Glendening would be the worst on the Leafs in terms of SH GA/60 and SH xGA/60. Glendening also has a high on ice sh sv% than guys like Hyman, Marner, Kerfoot etc. Glendening has won 54 faceoffs while shorthanded, and lost 54. Jason Spezza? Won 46, and lost 36.

Glendening gets absolutely crushed at even strength.

He's not a good player. Not even close to what some people are suggesting in this thread.

 

[varano]

Rehashing a trade rumor from three years ago lol

 

[Mersss]

How many 4th line players are offense driven??? You want Glendening because he is the best face-off man in the league and can kill penalties.

Nate Thompson was a faceoff specialist and Pk specialist, and was acquired for a 4th rd pick.... OH and the LAK had to give a 5th rd pick with him...

Glendening isn't worth a 2nd, nor a 3rd rnd pick. Never will either.

 

[Menzinger]

Regardless of whether the Leafs would actually want him - and personally I don't see him being a guy Dubas' would have significant interest in - the fundamental problem with Detroit dealing him is there seems to be a wide gap in perceived value

A guy whose beloved on one team isn't necessarily going to be so by others. He just seems like he has more value to the Wings than anyone else

 

[Richard88]

3rd or equivalent prospect for Glendenning.

What would Bernier and Glendenning cost as a pair? Would a 3rd + B prospect get it done for both of them?

I figure that Bernier is worth a 3rd, and if as you say Glendening is worth a 3rd/prospect then a 3rd + B prospect should be reasonably close. The prospect could be someone in the Beaucage/Kovalenko/Zhuravlyov tier for example. Alternatively you're welcome to include Compher if you like him.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Of penalty kill forwards with 25+ SH TOI, Luke Glendening would be the worst on the Leafs in terms of SH GA/60 and SH xGA/60. Glendening also has a high on ice sh sv% than guys like Hyman, Marner, Kerfoot etc. Glendening has won 54 faceoffs while shorthanded, and lost 54. Jason Spezza? Won 46, and lost 36.

Glendening gets absolutely crushed at even strength.

He's not a good player. Not even close to what some people are suggesting in this thread.

It's almost like he plays on the worst team in the league and we know that when evaluating him...

I am not going to lose any sleep over it, he is likely the most impactful guy we will trade if he is put in the right role. I don't really want him staying in division by helping a team go on a deep run and staying there.

 

[Debrincat93]

What would Bernier and Glendenning cost as a pair? Would a 3rd + B prospect get it done for both of them?

I figure that Bernier is worth a 3rd, and if as you say Glendening is worth a 3rd/prospect then a 3rd + B prospect should be reasonably close. The prospect could be someone in the Beaucage/Kovalenko/Zhuravlyov tier for example. Alternatively you're welcome to include Compher if you like him.

i would absolutely love someone like Beaucage here in Detroit.
add a 3rd or something and ill drive them both to the airport.

 

[2022 Stanley Cup]

Glendenning isn't an acquisition where I go "Now that team has a much better chance of making noise in the playoffs!" I doubt this trade happens unless we want C depth because as a player I'd rather Engvall as the 3C over Glendenning.

 

[mcityguy1]

Glendening is one of the best on face offshore, can kill penalties and can chip some goals.