Lucas Raymond

[jaster]

Oh jeez, my bad, totally forgot to consult those super helpful and informative Jfresh cards before I formed an opinion on Lucas Raymond. My bad. Thanks, Jfresh!

 

[norrisnick]

According to jfresh we should waive Mo rather than extend him.

 

[Henkka]

According to jfresh we should waive Mo rather than extend him.

Yeah defenceman ratings won't work with this system.

Forward ratings will work very well.

 

[Snuggs]

Kucherov signed his contract in 2018 for 9.5M cap hit at a league cap of 79.5M, 11.9% of the cap. This was right after he had his first 100 point season. The same contract today would be 10.4M.

If Kucherov was signing a contract after he put up 120+ pts multiple times, it woudl be closer to 13 or 14M. The point is that signing Raymond to 8x8 gives us a situation where we have a possible 85-90 point player in his prime making 8M on a ~100M cap, which is a much smaller proportion than Kucherov makes today. Nobody is saying we should be paying him that kind of money. If Ray was Kuch, we'd be talking 10 or 11x8, not 8x8.

I would try to go something like 7.8 x 8 , DeBrincat money. And I'm certain Raymond outplays that number.

Well, it's a waste to chat about. We'll just see what happens. I'd be shocked if he got an 8 year deal. We both can talk about what "we'd" do but it's whatever. I can just say the difference is people that want long-term now are attempting to get a discount/deal without TRULY knowing if he'll be anything better than DeBrincat( good example ). I'll take the bridge, and if he develops into something more like Kucherov/Tkachuk type scorer/point producer during that 3-5 year run, great, I'll gladly pay him more. He'll be one of the best players in the whole league.

Oh jeez, my bad, totally forgot to consult those super helpful and informative Jfresh cards before I formed an opinion on Lucas Raymond. My bad. Thanks, Jfresh!

You formed an opinion?

 

[Winger98]

Well, it's a waste to chat about. We'll just see what happens. I'd be shocked if he got an 8 year deal. We both can talk about what "we'd" do but it's whatever. I can just say the difference is people that want long-term now are attempting to get a discount/deal without TRULY knowing if he'll be anything better than DeBrincat( good example ). I'll take the bridge, and if he develops into something more like Kucherov/Tkachuk type scorer/point producer during that 3-5 year run, great, I'll gladly pay him more. He'll be one of the best players in the whole league.


You formed an opinion?

In theory a bridge should also give us some extra cap space to work with this summer. I'm not stuck hard in either camp, there are pluses and minuses to both approaches. Have to say, though, for everyone wanting this or that prospect in now..., well, that's good and all but we also want some of those contracts to come in later to offset future raises to Seider, Raymond, etc.

So yeah, we might not happy with Danielsson, Soderblon, Mazur, and Kaspar in GR next year, but it can pay big cap dividends down the road and I don't think them being in GR next year would be a negative impact on their development or the Wings.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Yeah defenceman ratings won't work with this system.

Forward ratings will work very well.

Forward ratings don't work. No ratings will ever work. If everything was that simple, hockey would be played in an Excel spreadsheet and there would be very predictable results for every player on every team in every game, every season. You would never have breakout players, you would never have hot streaks and cold streaks, there would never be a miraculous Florida run last year in the playoffs. Contract negotiations wouldn't be negotiations, but retail purchases off the rack.

You can never summarize everything that makes a player who they are with a handful of stats rolled up into half-assed display.

 

[19 for president]

Assuming DBC doesn't sit for a game (I think it is warranted at this point but I doubt it happens).

I'd like to see Ray with Kane and DBC up with Larkin. The DBC/Kane connection is broken and neither is defensively responsible/ good around the boards. Larkin's speed works really well with DBC on the give and go, and DBC doesn't just setup for one timers with him. DBC moves around more even in the offensive zone with Larks. I really liked the progress Ray was making on his own, and being more of a line driver. He defers a bit too much to Larkin and I think his ability to battle along the boards will do better for puck possession with Kane.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

We are not sitting Dcat.

 

[Henkka]

Forward ratings don't work. No ratings will ever work. If everything was that simple, hockey would be played in an Excel spreadsheet and there would be very predictable results for every player on every team in every game, every season. You would never have breakout players, you would never have hot streaks and cold streaks, there would never be a miraculous Florida run last year in the playoffs. Contract negotiations wouldn't be negotiations, but retail purchases off the rack.

You can never summarize everything that makes a player who they are with a handful of stats rolled up into half-assed display.

Yes, they will. Many will match with the eye-test and development curves.

Probably the best site for those currently. No site is perfect, but JFresh for forwards is the best currently.

 

[FabricDetails]

Ray Ray made Sportcenter Top 10 at least.

#8

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Beat out bowling at least.

 

[RedWingzz]

what a monster game that was last night

He's had some growing pains over the last 3 years, but he has really matured into a consistent NHL scorer. Ever since he was a teen, Raymond knows how to elevate his game in important moments.

 

[FabricDetails]

Need to update the video once awood40 has one with the BSD feed.

 

[minimal]

So impressed by him this season, wasn't expecting a 70(?) point campaign at all. Last night reminded me of how he showed up in that gold medal game before the 2020 draft. I think he'll have many, many more clutch moments in the future.

 

[Retire91]

Just so awesome to see, reminds me some of the Nyquivst explosion excitement. When the team has so little going for it but you get a star like this.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

he’s gonna hit 90 next year

 

[Go Wings]

he’s gonna hit 90 next year

90 goals that would be impressive

 

[sepster]

he’s gonna hit 90 next year

Possible. He did start slow this season. If I remember correctly, he was kind of the forgotten son for a bit while the excitement of Debrincat and all of the other new hires were settling in.

 

[schuelma24]

Possible. He did start slow this season. If I remember correctly, he was kind of the forgotten son for a bit while the excitement of Debrincat and all of the other new hires were settling in.

He also hasn’t consistently been on PP1

 

[norrisnick]

He also hasn’t consistently been on PP1

And he was still generating chances, just not getting many points. PP or otherwise.

 

[WF19]

No reason to think he can't turn into an elite star. Check out say Mackinnons first 3 years in the league, or Marner. 70 points as a 22 year old, he will.hit his prime in another 2-5 years.

 

[Cake Eater]

Would not be a Skinner look alike. Skinners deal accounted for 11.3% of the cap. Raymond would need a 9.9m contract next year to account for that. An 8m contract would be 9.1% of the cap. Quite the difference.

It’s amazing people don’t understand this. It’s not the number, it’s the percentage of the cap.

 

[Cake Eater]

No reason to think he can't turn into an elite star. Check out say Mackinnons first 3 years in the league, or Marner. 70 points as a 22 year old, he will.hit his prime in another 2-5 years.

Plenty of reasons to think he won’t turn into MacKinnon.

 

[newfy]

No reason to think he can't turn into an elite star. Check out say Mackinnons first 3 years in the league, or Marner. 70 points as a 22 year old, he will.hit his prime in another 2-5 years.

He was 21 all season until 2 weeks ago, makes it more impressive. No reason he cant be a 90 point player

 

[Frk It]

He's been pretty disappointing this year imo. Not seeing the development in his game I'd hoped we'd see atp. For a smaller guy he lacks that extra gear and the offensive skills, IQ, and vision just have not improved. No creativity, not playing with any confidence, still far too easy to push off the puck.

Bump