LTIR CBA Rules changes?

[thewave]

Fix NMC as well. Luxury tax maybe? League needs so much

 

[Maple Leaf]

Leafs need a higher salary cap due to taxes

 

[ULF_55]

If the players heart is beating he should be forced into the line-up.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I appreciate your permission for me to disagree.

Though it is clearly not against the rules as they are currently written, IMO this use violates the "spirit of rule" and should be changed.

Oh puh-leeze.

You don't mind twisting my words against the spirit in which they were written in.order to suit your needs. But if a team does it you are against it. Talk about the irony.

Some might even call it hypocritical.

 

[HolyCrap]

NHL is afraid Leafs are going to exploit this by pulling Matt Murray off of Robidas Island for the playoffs.

There’s a poster here who thinks that’s actually going to happen. Lol.

 

[ULF_55]

There’s a poster here who thinks that’s actually going to happen. Lol.

Wouldn't the goal in cheating be to improve your team?

 

[egd27]

Oh puh-leeze.

You don't mind twisting my words against the spirit in which they were written in.order to suit your needs. But if a team does it you are against it. Talk about the irony.

Some might even call it hypocritical.

Not sure which of you words I twisted, nor what is ironic or hypocritical. IMO the rules should not allow players coming off LTIR at the beginning of the playoffs or the on ice roster should be cap compliant during the playoffs

 

[thewave]

Leafs need a higher salary cap due to taxes

They should make a special tax agreement between countries. No state all federal tax @40% or whatever for all professional sports athletes paid above 500k or something.

Not like there are thousands of these people.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Get rid of the cap

Switch it to a luxury tax like baseball please and thanks

 

[Squiffy]

Seems like they lost to the Devil's every year no matter how much they spent on the roster.

All this talk about LTIR and cap circumvention. The Leafs not only spearheaded the use of LTIR but also were the first team to utilize using more than one contract at a time. The term "Robidas Island" was invented for a reason.

But I guess it's only unfair if other teams are doing it.

Did any of the "Robidas Island" players ever return to play in the playoffs?


Completely agree. If they're a cap league, then be a cap league from opening night unit the final whistle and the Cup is awarded.

Let’s give credit where it is due, Chicago invented this, not the Leafs, or TBL.

2015 Cup champs had Kane miraculously activate off LTIR for the start of the playoffs after loading up Vermette, Timonen and Desjardins while he was on it down the stretch.

 

[The Iceman]

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There seems to be further discussion about changing the LTIR rules. What are your thoughts about this?

Perhaps rosters should be cap compliant in the playoffs too.

I get panel members need to have differing opinions but answer Carter KEPT saying it is within the rules.
NO IT IS NOT. If a player is hurt he can be on LTIR. If a player is healthy enough to play game 80-81-82 he is no longer hurt, and should be back on the roster.
Which will never happen of course.

This is the part of the rule navigation that is the loop hole.

 

[m1ker]

Imagine having to inform your star player that, due to the risks associated with waiting for his recovery, the team is proceeding with trades. Consequently, he will not participate in the playoffs, irrespective of whether the team makes it to the finals.

Imagine having to waive a guy in the playoffs for a day to day injury because there's not enough space to call someone up

 

[ULF_55]

They should make a special tax agreement between countries. No state all federal tax @40% or whatever for all professional sports athletes paid above 500k or something.

Not like there are thousands of these people.

League could do something without involving any government.

Reward teams who contribute to revenue sharing.

Cap + HRR*state/provincial tax = Team Cap

So:
Teams with no state nor provincial tax get - Cap.
Teams paying state or provincial tax get - Cap + (TaxRate*HRR)

This would also encourage full disclosure of HRR because it would reward the contributors.

 

[m1ker]

League could do something without involving any government.

Reward teams who contribute to revenue sharing.

Cap + HRR*state/provincial tax = Team Cap

So:
Teams with no state nor provincial tax get - Cap.
Teams paying state or provincial tax get - Cap + (TaxRate*HRR)

This would also encourage full disclosure of HRR because it would reward the contributors.

Factor in property taxes, insurance rates, taxable write offs, asset depreciation, endorsements, it's not possible

 

[Leafsfan74]

NHLPA would tear up this idea as it'd "rush" injured players back

Moreso it would decrease the pool of money the owners would pay. They support MORE of this circumvention, not less.

 

[ULF_55]

Factor in property taxes, insurance rates, taxable write offs, asset depreciation, endorsements, it's not possible

They already report HRR, it's a requirement.

There are already published state/provincial tax rates.

All the rest you mention is unnecessary, and is more about individual choices and are not HRR.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Imagine having to inform your star player that, due to the risks associated with waiting for his recovery, the team is proceeding with trades. Consequently, he will not participate in the playoffs, irrespective of whether the team makes it to the finals.

Imagine having to waive a guy in the playoffs for a day to day injury because there's not enough space to call someone up

If the team is expecting their star player back in the playoffs they should not be acquiring more players because they will not have room to do so. Same thing if a player suffers a 5 month long injury on the first day of the season.

As for the 2nd thing, I'd be ok with a rule that says your 20 man roster for each game has to be cap compliant. You can carry as many guys in the press box as you want for all I care, so wouldn't require waiving anyone. As long as you're not bringing in a 10 million dollar player at the deadline and then bringing back a 10 million dollar player off LTIR as the playoffs start and icing both in the playoffs.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Imagine having to inform your star player that, due to the risks associated with waiting for his recovery, the team is proceeding with trades. Consequently, he will not participate in the playoffs, irrespective of whether the team makes it to the finals.

Imagine having to waive a guy in the playoffs for a day to day injury because there's not enough space to call someone up

This.

This is why the suggestions here won't work. Suggestions like "Playoff teams must be cap compliant as well."

Ok. So a cusp playoff team has a star player go down near the trade deadline. They're out until the playoffs. So they make a trade for another star player to help them make the playoffs. The playoffs begin, and the original star player is now healthy enough to play.

What the nhl doesn't want is to have healthy star players sitting out during the playoffs due to "cap restrictions". Like, what a shit show that would be. There's no easy answer. But sitting out stars in the playoffs due to weird circumstances isn't the path to go.

 

[ULF_55]

This.

This is why the suggestions here won't work. Suggestions like "Playoff teams must be cap compliant as well."

Ok. So a cusp playoff team has a star player go down near the trade deadline. They're out until the playoffs. So they make a trade for another star player to help them make the playoffs. The playoffs begin, and the original star player is now healthy enough to play.

What the nhl doesn't want is to have healthy star players sitting out during the playoffs due to "cap restrictions". Like, what a shit show that would be. There's no easy answer. But sitting out stars in the playoffs due to weird circumstances isn't the path to go.

Then treat the overage like Bonuses that get pushed to the next year.

If you play the playoffs with a roster of $95mm and the Cap is 85, you owe 10 from the next season. Gives teams the entire off season to make the Cap-$10mm.

 

[Anthrax442]

I rather they dump the salary cap altogether.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

All socialist rules constructs eventually fail because they are NOT free market driven .. let da strong survive and da weak die .. make da NHL great again .. we are stuck with this mediocre Jacobs/Bettman hockey designed construct to keep wages down for players and profits high for owners .. and it also makes all teams roughly da same .. such an undemocratic league .. da more legal rules you create da more da rich teams like Leafs, Habs, rangers and vegas will exploit it .. but it really does not matter what anyone wants except Jacobs and his gang of 10 owners who always vote together

 

[al secord]

Circumcision ??

Been there, done that.

Oh puh-leeze.

You don't mind twisting my words against the spirit in which they were written in.order to suit your needs. But if a team does it you are against it. Talk about the irony.

Some might even call it hypocritical.

Your grasp on reality is rivaled only by your grasp on reading and comprehension.

 

[Menzinger]

Fix NMC as well. Luxury tax maybe? League needs so much

Nobody's forcing the GMs to give those out.

 

[Jmo89]

They should either make a soft cap / luxury tax or just make it so the roster on the ice is cap compliant.

 

[Blanka]

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There seems to be further discussion about changing the LTIR rules. What are your thoughts about this?

Perhaps rosters should be cap compliant in the playoffs too.

Get rid of the hard cap. It's not helping smaller clubs to be competitive and it's forcing larger clubs to resort to these shenanigans. Don't even get me started on the drafting issues that pop up later on; moving those successful picks because the club can't afford them anymore or surround them with decent enough pieces to round out the club. It's embarrassing.

Get rid of this communist nonsense lol