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It's how Toews kept landing at #2 player in the world routinely. Hawks win, therefore Toews must be a good player.
Player Discussion Loui Eriksson
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It's how Toews kept landing at #2 player in the world routinely. Hawks win, therefore Toews must be a good player.
y2kcanucks
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That's nice. They mean nothing in terms of his actual contributions to this team winning.
Yes we get it, the Sedins are finished.. like when you predicted they would regress to 30 point players 3 years ago.
I wonder how many more years they can make you look dumb.
Balls Mahoney
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What exactly are you expecting out of a player who's five years past his peak and has been injury prone and mediocre until needing to sucker good ol' JB out of a fat contract last year? I'm sorry to be so skeptical and I'm not trying to be mean. I don't know how you look at the numbers and Eriksson's play and come to a positive conclusion about any of this. This is going to be Vrbata redux only for six years.
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Hate, hate, hate this signing. It's a lateral signing and reminds me of the Vrbata signing which ended abysmally. What makes this even more unpalatable is the concussion and health history of this guy its not a good gamble.
Will be shocked if Eriksson regains form from the Stars days.
Will be shocked if Eriksson regains form from the Stars days.
y2kcanucks
Le Sex God
Yes we get it, the Sedins are finished.. like when you predicted they would regress to 30 point players 3 years ago.
I wonder how many more years they can make you look dumb.
I would only look dumb if I fabricated a statement someone made and laughed at them for it. That's a complete dumb thing to do.
Hmm....
On an unrelated note: I have never predicted the Sedins would regress to 30 point players 3 years ago. That's a completely fabricated statement.
My point in my previous posts is that the Sedins aren't elite players anymore. They aren't going to score a PPG, and thus aren't going to really elevate their linemates to an elite season. IF Eriksson plays the year with the Sedins, I think they'll feed off each other a little bit (curious who will do the heavy lifting on that line going into the dirty areas), but they'll all be in that 50-60 point range.
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I didn't contest any of this though, I contested that Eriksson wasn't that good because Dallas wasn't that good when he was their best player.
Black Noise
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The thing is Eriksson (or Boston) didn't really score a ton when he was on the ice with Krug (5v5). He had a GF60 of 1.6 when he was on the ice with Krug. He got the majority of his points when he played with Chara and Kevan Miller. He had a GF60 of 3.04 with Chara and 2.80 with Miller. I don't think Chara is as good as a puck mover as he was before and Hutton is much better than Miller.
I think if Eriksson plays the majority of his time with Tanev, Edler and Hutton he should do fine.
Also if he is on the PP with the Sedins his PP scoring should stay the same. Vrbata put up 22 points on the PP with the Sedins in 2014-15. Eriksson put up 15 last season. I would say Eriksson is better than Vrbata so he will probably get around 20+ PP points this year.
Without injuries Eriksson should hit 60 points.
mathonwy
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Why?
Why are you expecting a long painful decline?
What factors are you using to come to this conclusion?
When a player suffers a long painful decline, if you look hard enough, there are ALWAYS specific reasons why they decline with injuries being #1.
- 6 time nominee of the Lady Byng Trophy.
Six times he was nominated to be a gentleman.... IN THE GAME OF HOCKEY.
- Penalties: doesn't take em
Daniel Sedin - 474 PIMs / 15 seasons = 31.6 PIMS / season
Henrik Sedin - 622 PIMS / 15 seasons = 41.47 PIMS / season
Daniel Alfredsson - 500 PIM / 17 seasons = 29.41 PIMS / season
Henrik Zetterberg - 355 PM / 13 seasons = 27.31 PIMS / season
Sergei Fedorov - 839 PIM / 20 season = 41.95 PIMS / season
It's actually quite impressive how few penalties this guy takes.
- His goals: Yawn
PPG Tap-in, PPG tip-in, PPG rebound, 3 on 2 give and go, PPG deflection, middling seeing eye slapper from the left faceoff dot, off of Connolly's stick, PPG whack the goal in a front of the goal scramble, 2 on 1 give and go, PPG finish... etc etc.
Point being, there is nothing fancy about Eriksson's production but yet he produces. He doesn't rely on speed nor does he rely on strength.... sort of like.. oh.. I dunno.. the 36 year old Sedins?
Another point, all those PPGs.... so delicious.
- Games played
82 (max),
48 (max),
61 (concussion from Orpik hit & concussion from John Scott hit),
81,
82 (max).
Eriksson had a down season the following season after his concussion riddled 2013-14 season. Not surprising. But YET, he still managed to play 81 games and then improved his point total again last season while playing ALL 82 games.
Eriksson is probably one of the most healthiest 31 year old top 6 hockey players in the league!!! (sort of like the Sedins before Torts got his grubby hands on them)
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I don't mind this signing one bit. Management still has a responsibility to put an entertaining product on the ice, we needed a top 3 winger and we got one that plays a smart / non-aggressive game that looks to be a good complement to the Sedins.
Is Eriksson the final piece to the SC puzzle? After consulting the magic 8-ball, all signs point to no.
Will Eriksson make watching regular season games more bearable until the Juolevi's, Virtanens, Boesers and Demkos start growing pubic hair? Considering the Sedins look like they have an endless supply of gas in their tanks and it looks like BaeBo might actually be something; I, the fan, would say yes.
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Eriksson also doesn't block a lot of shots nor does he throw a lot of hits but yet, he is lauded for his defensive play. Two more reasons why there shouldn't be an expectation for him to decline as he gets closer to 35.
Hit the post
I have your gold medal Zippy!
Well he hardly did that with a Canuck uniform.
Put that jersey on & you automatically get more penalties called against you.
(put the Bruins one on, and you automatically get fewer penalties called against you
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y2kcanucks
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His age 27, 28, and 29 seasons are why people predict a long decline. He's 31 this season and no longer in his prime. It's common sense.
mathonwy
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Just to clarify,
His point production during the lockout year, the multi-concussion year and the post-multi-concussion year is reason why we should predict a long decline for this non-penalty taking, non-confrontational, non-speedy, non-power top 6 winger?
(Not to mention discounting his age 30 year which fans also seemingly like to do when one brings up the Canucks 14-15 season and how our "stale core" 2011 veterans achieved 5 year high point totals - except for Higgs)
I humbly ask you to elaborate on this please.
me2
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It is a pretty reasonable guess
Loui might last better than that, better players tend to go a bit longer, but decline is the norm.
14-15 remains to be seen if it is an anomaly out not.
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I have your gold medal Zippy!
Gilligan acquired/signed as free agents two defensemen - under the age of 30 - in his 1st year as GM. Both had a previous long history of being relatively injury free (missing VERY FEW games). Look what happened the 1st season they both were Canucks.
I remember 33 use to be THE age where most players are said to suffer drastic declines. 33 seams to have been the age number where Gillis had most of his contracts end.
Still, there are odds and then there's reality. It's hard to tell who can sustain their play into their mid 30s. Superstars and superskilled players tend to fare pretty well, health permitting. Logically speaking, guys whose game relies on smart positioning, are quick skaters, and have relatively little wear and tear should age gracefully.
Look at the goals Eriksson scored the last two years. Most of the goals were closer to "effortless" than requiring physical exhaustion. Most of the goals he scored were right in front of the net or when he's wide open. He's REALLY good from in close and has the ability to find open ice and on the PP he's a good net front presence. These guys tend to age pretty well in terms of production. There's a good reason why he has played well with the Sedins in international ice. Get Eriksson the puck close to the net or with some time and space and he can bury it. The Sedins are excellent at finding the open man.
Still, there are odds and then there's reality. It's hard to tell who can sustain their play into their mid 30s. Superstars and superskilled players tend to fare pretty well, health permitting. Logically speaking, guys whose game relies on smart positioning, are quick skaters, and have relatively little wear and tear should age gracefully.
Look at the goals Eriksson scored the last two years. Most of the goals were closer to "effortless" than requiring physical exhaustion. Most of the goals he scored were right in front of the net or when he's wide open. He's REALLY good from in close and has the ability to find open ice and on the PP he's a good net front presence. These guys tend to age pretty well in terms of production. There's a good reason why he has played well with the Sedins in international ice. Get Eriksson the puck close to the net or with some time and space and he can bury it. The Sedins are excellent at finding the open man.
There's optimism, "I think we'll be okay." and blind optimism, "We are going to be very good. You just wait." Then there's skepticism "Things don't look very good." and pessimism, "This team will not be good." Finally there is realism. I'll leave it up to the masses to fill in this one.
All of these types exist here in the HF world. We simply learn to co-exist.
Bye, now. LOL
Man, if I didn't see the name, I'd think you were describing Shinkaruk in Utica the season Benning felt he would not be able to take his game to the NHL primarily because he wasn't strong enough to deal with the physicality of the league. Now, I see Eriksson doesn't worry about that either due to his similar playing style.
biturbo19
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Not that i liked the Shinkaruk trade one bit, but this is absurd. The AHL =/= the NHL.
To suggest that a proven versatile and well-rounded NHL scoring winger like Eriksson can get by without being overly reliant on physical tools is not at all the same as talking about a small largely one-dimension goal-scoring winger prospect who has at various times had trouble finding time and space, separating himself and dealing with the physicality of puck battles, board battles, net battles and the like at the AHL level.
There's a big difference in talking about players who rely heavily on tools to score, vs those who do not - and how they tend to age, respectively...vs claiming anybody can get by as an effective player in the NHL without some significant physical engagement. Eriksson is not a "physical player" but he does compete hard (and smart) and hold up his end of the deal in the constant physical battles that make up the game. Nobody is immune to the physical nature of the NHL.
Baertschi last year was a prime example of that. A dynamite scorer in the time and space of the AHL - but really struggled to accomplish much of anything and was easily pushed out of games physically for much of the early part of the season. It wasn't until later in the season when he started to really compete physically that the success started to translate. Still, you would very much refer to Baertschi in the same sort of mold as a guy like Eriksson who is the opposite of a "toolsy scorer".
Just not at all the same as saying Eriksson can't compete physically or is somehow entirely removed from the physicality of the game.
JuniorNelson
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Canucks do not have the infrastructure to support a skilled but soft top six. So, they added to the issue with another small soft player. Why? They didn't build any support system, even though last season was a disaster. They didn't add a specialist defenseman to augment the attack. They didn't change schemes to shelter lines. There is no policing on ice.
I think the team projected a different line-up when they signed Eriksson but were unable to achieve it.
I think the team projected a different line-up when they signed Eriksson but were unable to achieve it.
Hit the post
I have your gold medal Zippy!
Blueline is tougher to play against at the expense of being even more offensively inept (hard to imagine right?)
y2kcanucks
Le Sex God
Everyone played during that lockout year and not everyone had poor seasons because of it.
And yes, I think he could be prone to injury as he gets older (that's only natural), and as he gets older his skills will decline. Just like anyone else.
Pfft not my skills. Of course I never had any skills to begin with.....
I expect Eriksson will put together a nice season. Similar to what Vrbata had done his first year, a bit better if he stays healthy. So the first line will likely have a better year (though keep in mind Hansen did some nice work last year). But I believe the rest of the team is worse especially from a depth perspective. Any advancement due to Eriksson being added is going to be done away with by the other issues. In the end the team will be somewhere between 9th in the conference and last in the league.
Which is where they'd be without him.
I like Eriksson to tell you the truth but this is a "good player, wrong signing, wrong time" type of thing for me.
mathonwy
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So... yer saying rain is wet and grass is green.
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I think we are totally in agreement on this one!
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You missed my point entirely. The description of Eriksson's play detailed by the poster perfectly described how Shink was playing. I never said he compared favorably with Eriksson. Much of the way a player needs to play was left out of the Eriksson description.
Shinkaruk needed to finish last season with the Comets. The addition of TJ Hensick would have seen Hunter's numbers jump quickly and they were moving just fine without him. Another season starting in Utica with one of the players that have been picked up for this season and the promise of Shinkaruk would have been present in black and white. We'll never know.
Huh? I don't really see a similar playing style. And playing style means nothing. You can be the same size and play the same style as Gaudreau but you're not going to Gaudreau if you don't have the same skills. You can be the same size and have the same skills as St. Louis, but if you don't have his intensity and drive, you might not make it in the NHL. Eriksson is a proven world-class player. He also happens to be 6'2" and although lanky he is strong and long.
Eriksson is 6'2". He's lanky but he ain't small. Is Tanev a small Dman? And as I described in my last post, Eriksson is far from being a perimeter player. He's constantly around the net.
The Sedins' line is all about the Sedins. You can put Lucic in there and what difference does it make? Does it make the line tougher? Sure after the whistle Lucic's shear presence may prevent guys from taking liberties on the Sedins. But you're talking about team infrastructure here. The Canucks have gone from Burrows to Vrbata to Hansen and now to Eriksson. So suddenly the team's infrastructure can't support a Eriksson playing with the Sedins
Support system? They replaced Vrbata with Eriksson. That's a huge upgrade as far as last season goes. That moves Hansen down and we know that the Canucks wanted to add another player (Lucic and then Hudler?) Specialist Dman to augment the attack? I think Larsen fits the description. But I'm not sure I want the Canucks to acquire a specialist. Not sure what you mean by change schemes to shelter lines. Which lines need sheltering except the 4h line? And you can't possibly know until the season starts. That's on Willie. Policing? So you want Benning to acquire an enforcer? Re-sign Prust? He did add Gudbranson who is willing to drop the gloves. The merits of having fighters on the team is questionable. I like to have them and believe in having at least one guy willing to drop the gloves, but it's really not a big deal.
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