Player Discussion Loui Eriksson

[y2kcanucks]

Hard to compete with those us teams that don't have state income tax. We would have needed to offer Demers 1.5m higher salary to compete if i recall correctly.

Valid point. I would have gone to the $5-5.5M range too, but that may not have been enough.

 

[BDG123]

Pigs would have flown in a frozen hell before an eastern-based American player like Okposo who had huge demand around the league would have signed for a terrible team in Western Canada.

We should have signed none of the big-ticket players and had no interest in any of them.

Based on his history and production, Loui Eriksson was a great signing. Hindsight is a poor way to evaluate decisions.

 

[Hit the post]

Based on his history and production, Loui Eriksson was a great signing. Hindsight is a poor way to evaluate decisions.

Nah...it would've only been "solid" in his first few years - then the expected decline would've happened (re: age/wear/etc.,). It was ALWAYS going to stink near the end of the contract (given the length of the deal).

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

In 2014-15 there were rumours of him being traded to us for Kassian and most Canucks fans balked at the thought. Then he scores !!!!30 goals!!!!! and people suddenly lose their minds about him.

He was a terrible fit for the team, an utter pro scouting failure signed to a terrible contract with a terrible term at a terrible time for terrible reasons by a terrible GM reporting to a terrible President.

And every single part of it was 100% predicted by people here except for the degree of how terrible it was at the very start.

 

[opendoor]

Based on his history and production, Loui Eriksson was a great signing. Hindsight is a poor way to evaluate decisions.

Hardly. Signing a 31 year old who averaged about 50 pts/82 games in the 4 years prior to a $36M 6 year deal is risky no matter how you slice it. There's a reason Boston didn't want to go over 4 years. Never mind the fact that trading long term pain for short term gain is the exact opposite of what a team in the Canucks' situation should be doing. It was a terrible signing before the ink was dry.

 

[BDG123]

Hardly. Signing a 31 year old who averaged about 50 pts/82 games in the 4 years prior to a $36M 6 year deal is risky no matter how you slice it. There's a reason Boston didn't want to go over 4 years. Never mind the fact that trading long term pain for short term gain is the exact opposite of what a team in the Canucks' situation should be doing. It was a terrible signing before the ink was dry.

Ownership wants to be competitive. Benning needs to do what he's gotta do. Given the circumstances, signing Loui Eriksson was a good idea, not only for his production but also for his veteran presence. Lets also be quite clear, if Eriksson was on pace for 30 goals, no one would be complaining.

 

[M2Beezy]

So was this the worse signing last offseason? Or Ladds the tops here?

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

Ownership wants to be competitive. Benning needs to do what he's gotta do. Given the circumstances, signing Loui Eriksson was a good idea, not only for his production but also for his veteran presence. Lets also be quite clear, if Eriksson was on pace for 30 goals, no one would be complaining.

Yes they would.

 

[arttk]

So was this the worse signing last offseason? Or Ladds the tops here?

A contest that nobody wins.

 

[BDG123]

Yes they would.

Let them complain then, it's not going to change anything.

 

[me2]

Based on his history and production, Loui Eriksson was a great signing. Hindsight is a poor way to evaluate decisions.

People called it bad at the time. That's not hindsight. They were told to wait and see, you can't judge it until you see it. Now they have seen it they are told we can't judge it because it's hindsight?

 

[BDG123]

People called it bad at the time. That's not hindsight. They were told to wait and see, you can't judge it until you see it. Now we have seen it we are told you can't judge it because it's hindsight?

If the Canucks want to be competitive, it's a good signing. 36m is a lot of money, but ownership was more than happy to pay it. Why would Eriksson come to a poor team like the Canucks if he wasn't going to be overpaid. It's not like Benning had any real leverage going into negotiations.

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

Let them complain then, it's not going to change anything.

Great good contribution.

It was a terrible signing that was called a terrible signing before it was even made because we all knew it was going to happen..

Period. End if discussion.

 

[BDG123]

Great good contribution.

It was a terrible signing that was called a terrible signing before it was even made because we all knew it was going to happen..

Period. End if discussion.

I contributed as much as you did. So likewise. Everyone on this forum is so cynical. Hockey is a business and businesses are run to make money. Playoffs = Money.

 

[opendoor]

Ownership wants to be competitive. Benning needs to do what he's gotta do. Given the circumstances, signing Loui Eriksson was a good idea, not only for his production but also for his veteran presence. Lets also be quite clear, if Eriksson was on pace for 30 goals, no one would be complaining.

Well obviously it wasn't a good idea. Eriksson has been a complete bust, he's signed until a couple weeks before his 37th birthday, and the team has been awful and looks like they're standing on the precipice of 5+ years in the wilderness. Benning has completely and utterly failed at his objective of remaining competitive. The team finished 28th in the league last year and will probably somewhere in the same neighborhood this season.

Signing a player that age who was mediocre in 3 of the last 4 seasons was always a risk and Benning was willing to take that risk in order to help the team in the short term. Well it blew up in his face and he should be rightly criticized for it.

 

[Hit the post]

Hockey is a business and businesses are run to make money. Playoffs = Money.

They're a team that spends close the cap limit AND are presently tied for 5th LAST PLACE in the league (following a THIRD LAST place finish the season before).

As a business, they're being run horribly (eg., declining season ticket sales, etc.,).

 

[BDG123]

Well obviously it wasn't a good idea. Eriksson has been a complete bust, he's signed until a couple weeks before his 37th birthday, and the team has been awful and looks like they're standing on the precipice of 5+ years in the wilderness. Benning has completely and utterly failed at his objective of remaining competitive. The team finished 28th in the league last year and will probably somewhere in the same neighborhood this season.

Benning doesn't have a say in the team. He doesn't get to choose whether or not he wants the team to be competitive, the owner does. He's just doing what he's told and paid to do, Loui was a bust, but an unexpected one at that. If you don't like the direction of the team, it's only a few 100 million too buy. Then you could fire Benning and run the team yourself.

 

[BDG123]

They're a team that spends close the cap limit AND are presently tied for 5th LAST PLACE in the league (following a THIRD LAST place finish the season before).

As a business, they're being run horribly (eg., declining season ticket sales, etc.,).

I never said they were being run well. But you can't blame Benning for implementing what ownership wants.

 

[Hit the post]

Then you could fire Benning and run the team yourself.

Or he could hire people that know what they're doing.

I never said they were being run well. But you can't blame Benning for implementing what ownership wants.

Well they're hardly "competing well" now - so that's a failure (whether he inherited a bad hand at the start or not).

It's a worst of possible worlds (like the Flames were for a while - hang around a playoff spot but JUST fail to make it in). Get neither the playoff revenues (or just one playoff round) and team stagnates.

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

I contributed as much as you did. So likewise. Everyone on this forum is so cynical. Hockey is a business and businesses are run to make money. Playoffs = Money.

Most of us knew that his season last year was an aberration, that he should be expected to put up around 45 points this year, and that wouldn't be good enough to make the playoffs.

That he's done eleven worse than that is surprising, but it doesn't make the signing only terrible in hindsight.

 

[BDG123]

Most of us knew that his season last year was an aberration, that he should be expected to put up around 45 points this year, and that wouldn't be good enough to make the playoffs.

That he's done eleven worse than that is surprising, but it doesn't make the signing only terrible in hindsight.

The signing wasn't ideal but it also wasn't garbage. In order to get him, you need to fork over unrealistic amounts of money. It's just the nature of the league.

 

[BDG123]

Or he could hire people that know what they're doing.



Well they're hardly "competing well" now - so that's a failure (whether he inherited a bad hand at the start or not).

You don't say. Ownership is crazy if they think the Canucks can compete, even with Eriksson. But that doesn't make it Bennings fault.

Additionally, ownership should trust Benning and let him do what's best for the Franchise instead of getting involved.

 

[Hit the post]

You don't say. Ownership is crazy if they think the Canucks can compete, even with Eriksson. But that doesn't make it Bennings fault.

Benning knew what he was getting into when he signed aboard. Who hired Willie? Certainly not Aquaman.

 

[opendoor]

You don't say. Ownership is crazy if they think the Canucks can compete, even with Eriksson. But that doesn't make it Bennings fault.

It's Benning's fault that the team is filled with terrible contracts for mediocre players which leaves the team with little to no depth. Ownership didn't force him to give out the Sbisa, Dorsett, and Sutter contracts, blow his wad on a bottom pairing defenseman in Gudbranson, or trade away picks and prospects for junk like Vey, Pedan, Granlund, etc. leaving the team with no assets to actually upgrade with good players

 

[BDG123]

Benning knew what he was getting into when he signed aboard. Who hired Willie? Certainly not Aquaman.

And as long as he is getting paid and has job security, I don't think he cares.