Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose

[mikeyz]

Most hilarious thing to happen would be Leafs losing wild card to Pens. Man, that would cause a sh.t storm here and lots of schadenfreude in the hockey world. At least, it would be very leafy thing to do lol

Absolutely nothing surprises me with this organization anymore.

As a matter of fact, at this point, I actually would be surprised if what you said DIDN'T happen.

 

[Nineteen67]

I really hope we can spend enough of that billion dollar corporation coin to one day get over this "Leafy thing" stigma and beat the brakes off of bad teams and make them shut their mouths. No valid reason exists why our team lost 3 times to the Islanders and twice to the Blackhawks. Get your shit together and start playing to your potential already.

How many players play to their potential or exceed their expectations? Small handful.

When you consistently see the same crap over and over, why not change the coach?

 

[Gary Nylund]

That should have been the end of Keefe TBH with you.

I suggested in the summer that we look into what we could get in a trade for Marner. Holy smokes did I ever get raked over the coals for that one.

1st team all-star signed for 4 more years. Can you imagine the haul we would have gotten for him, could have completely rebuilt our D. But almost everyone was like "you never win a trade trading a player like Marner". Yeah, Ok then.

 

[Jojalu]

Bertuzzi wasn’t making 5.5 with an NMC and failing to score at even a mediocre middle 6 rate with elite players setting him up. He’s rapidly approaching cap dump territory without retention.

You would really need someone to believe he would easily replicate his performance in the playoffs last year.

Which I doubt he does.

But if he does, it may as well be for the Leafs anyways.

 

[Gabriel426]

Bad game, but I don't see us losing a playoff spot.

At the same time, if we remain in wild-card spot, It's Bos or Nyr, if we move up, Florida? I don't like our chances vs any of them

Too bad the Sharks is not in the Eastern Conf as I really like our chances against them. lol.


For real, I don’t think there is any playoffs teams that will favor our boys.

 

[rumman]

Most of them are scoring more than what we have in complementary/depth roles, and most of them have better defensive or physical games (or both) as well.

Eller was the only name I thought was intriguing, and not for goal scoring…….

 

[4thline]

I will give you the defence physical..

But offense sucks on that list

Domi and Bertuzzi combine for 10 goals (6 and 4), 25 and 20 points respectively

That list has
6 players with 20 or more points

3 players with 10 or more goals
5 with 8-9
7 with 5-7

most bringing aforementioned defense and physicality, with less offensive minutes.

 

[hotpaws]

Bullshit.

2.5 million or less, most (not all) signed by teams currently in a playoff spot:

Tatar 1 x 1.5
Suter 2 x 1.6
Sundqvist 1 x .77
Fischer 1 x 1.1
JVR 1 x 1
Donato 2 x 2
Hathaway 2 x 2.4
Eller 2 x 2.4
Bjugstad 2 x 2.1
Stenlund 1x1
Acciari 3x2
Wood 6x 2.5
Poehling 1 x 1.4
Geekie 2 x 2
Fast 2 x 2.4
Namestnikov 2x2
Sprong 1x 2
Blueger 1 x 1.9

Secondary offense? Grit? Defensive play? Size? Speed? Complementary worker bees? All there for the taking.

Could literally throw darts at that list and get a better fit for our roster going into the offseason than Bert/Domi/Reaves, and for a lot less than 9.85million.

That's before going into the 3-5m options and the defenders available.

Aciarri 3g-4pts in 38games all for only 2m x 3yrs , yup your boi Dubie sure hit a home run on that signing .

you should also go to the pens board and see what they think about the rest of the summer of Dubas , especially Graves at 6yrs x 4.5m

 

[Gabriel426]

You would really need someone to believe he would easily replicate his performance in the playoffs last year.

Which I doubt he does.

But if he does, it may as well be for the Leafs anyways.

He needs to be on PP1 to have the same success as he did in the playoffs.
Which applies to any players signing with the Leafs as depth scoring.
It is not just getting points on PP but also their rhythm of the game and consistency…

That’s why I think nomatter whom we sign as depth from now on, his stats will suffer due to lack of PP time and won’t be worth the contract he signs.

 

[4thline]

Eller was the only name I thought was intriguing, and not for goal scoring…….

That speaks more to your following of other teams than of the names.......

 

[Gary Nylund]

Domi and Bertuzzi combine for 10 goals (6 and 4), 25 and 20 points respectively

That list has
6 players with 20 or more points

3 players with 10 or more goals
5 with 8-9
7 with 5-7

most bringing aforementioned defense and physicality, with less offensive minutes.

I wanted JVR. Can't remember how many points he had but I think he might not have been on your list.

 

[4thline]

Aciarri 3g-4pts in 38games all for only 2m x 3yrs , yup your boi Dubie sure hit a home run on that signing .

you should also go to the pens board and see what they think about the rest of the summer of Dubas , especially Graves at 6yrs x 4.5m

Get help, your obsession is sad.

 

[4thline]

I wanted JVR. Can't remember how many points he had but I think he might not have been on your list.

He was, snuck him in as the only acronym.

Honestly wasn't on my radar. I was hoping we'd take the opportunity to build of an identity with tempo, good team D and (effective) in your face play where the big 4 were the outliers and have them get infected.

 

[Gary Nylund]

He was, snuck him in as the only acronym.

Honestly wasn't on my radar. I was hoping we'd take the opportunity to build of an identity with tempo, good team D and (effective) in your face play where the big 4 were the outliers and have them get infected.

Well, you know the rest of the league better than me so that's why you probably were considering many more options than I was. So I was familiar with him, I figured he could still score, he was comfortable with playing here and lack of scoring has been a problem in the playoffs and since the price was so cheap, why not take a shot. And that was the extent of my "scientific analysis" LOL.

 

[4thline]

Well, you know the rest of the league better than me so that's why you probably were considering many more options than I was. So I was familiar with him, I figured he could still score, he was comfortable with playing here and lack of scoring has been a problem in the playoffs and since the price was so cheap, why not take a shot. And that was the extent of my "scientific analysis" LOL.

Knew, shit is definitely slipping this year. Toddler's trump hockey following

 

[sunstersun]

This team is cooked.

Overpaying Marner, Nylander and Tavares jesus christ.

I'm pretty big on Nylander, yet his post contract play has been sad.

Tavares may as well be a 4th line center.

Marner should thank Matthews.

 

[andora]

Domi and Bertuzzi combine for 10 goals (6 and 4), 25 and 20 points respectively

That list has
6 players with 20 or more points

3 players with 10 or more goals
5 with 8-9
7 with 5-7

most bringing aforementioned defense and physicality, with less offensive minutes.

that's all fine - and sincerely i wish i had time today to dig in and look at minutes and project roles etc..

i just don't see this past ufa crop as thick with options, not to say we didn't pick the wrong guys because i didn't like the bertuzzi and was lukewarm on domi at best...

i mean on the other hand, i would take 3 or 4 of those guys on that list over bert/domi but not for goal scoring, but rather how they play. this of course leads me into looking at and discussing how we play, how keefe plays and to be honest he's a giant WTF for me.. i think we target incorrect players because keefe is running such a bland identity-less brand.

 

[Menzinger]

Yes, and how do you explain, it working for them and not us? As one poster said, Bert was the top UFA last summer. He and Domi had solid playoffs and appeared to be good signings. Leafs had been trying to acquire Bert for years. Maybe it is the coach or the core ?

The coach and the core aren't the reason Bert couldn't hit a double wide barn this year.

Looking more like he just had a really hot 7 game streak last playoffs more so than that was who he was as a player.

He had a fairly meh regular season last year too

 

[bax]

I listened to leafs talk on my drive home from work today and heard they did a tribute to Engvall at the game? Why on earth would they feel the need to do that?

 

[andora]

I listened to leafs talk on my drive home from work today and heard they did a tribute to Engvall at the game? Why on earth would they feel the need to do that?

Feelings

 

[Nineteen67]

How many players play to their potential or exceed their expectations? Small handful.

When you consistently see the same crap over and over, why not change the coach?

Well…..

“We’ve got a good team here. We’ve got good players,” Keefe said. “As a coaching staff, we need to do a better job with them and work with them and help them recognize our own goal in getting the team to play to its potential.
“I think we’ve done that, I would say, about 50 percent of the games — we’ve been really good,” Keefe continued. “That’s not enough. That’s not enough in the NHL.””

https://x.com/tlndc/status/1754983079708672242?s=61&t=7W_etrqNlDekzU5eXlXcDA

 

[Menzinger]

I listened to leafs talk on my drive home from work today and heard they did a tribute to Engvall at the game? Why on earth would they feel the need to do that?

Eh, drafted and developed here. 200 games with the Leafs + almost 100 with the Marlies. Don't see anything wrong with it

 

[bax]

Eh, drafted and developed here. 200 games with the Leafs + almost 100 with the Marlies. Don't see anything wrong with it

Fine player I suppose but I mean really didn't do anything of significance in his time here. It seemed odd to me.

 

[Gallagbi]

Fine player I suppose but I mean really didn't do anything of significance in his time here. It seemed odd to me.

Gotta kill the 3 minutes commercial break somehow

 

[Borschevsky]

I listened to leafs talk on my drive home from work today and heard they did a tribute to Engvall at the game? Why on earth would they feel the need to do that?

I was at the game. It was just a "welcome back to Toronto. thank you for your four seasons" sort of thing over the PA during a commercial break. Nothing more.

You couldn't call it a "tribute"