TSN: Leafs in on Vatanen

[AkiLumme]

well we 2yrs where they played at the same level at the same age:

Age 20 AHL

Brown: 76gms, 21gls, 61pts (82gms, 23gls, 66pts)
Rackell: 46gms, 14gls, 37pts (82gms, 25gls, 66pts)

Age 22 NHL

Brown: 82gms, 20gls, 36pts (82gms, 20gls, 36pts)
Rackell: 72gms, 20gls, 43pts (82gms, 23gls, 49pts)

and of course, rakell got double the PP time brown did at 22.

Yes and for every Rakell there's a Tobias Rieder, Andrew Cogliano or Andrew Shaw. And to bring it back to Vatanen, he had nearly identical PPG to Brown (in less games) in his 22 yr old season.

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

You're basically claiming to know more about the trade market than Friedman, Dreger, McKenzie, Lebrun, Button etc all of whom have indicated that there is a broad market for Vatanen and that he will bring back a good young forward piece in return.

If you want to keep saying that the Leafs have the Ducks by the throat so they better take whatever you're offering - go right ahead, but just know that by doing so you are pretending to have a better grasp of this situation than virtually every credible insider.

Any time that there is a "motivated seller" you will bring out bargain hunters.
Why do you think in sales they advertise something as having to be sold by a certain date?
This "urgency" leads buyers to believe they will be able to by the item being sold at a price lower than it's true value/traditional cost.
So it's not surprising that there is lots of interest in Vatanen just not at the price Duck's fans would like.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Any time that there is a "motivated seller" you will bring out bargain hunters.
Why do you think in sales they advertise something as having to be sold by a certain date?
This "urgency" leads buyers to believe they will be able to by the item being sold at a price lower than it's true value/traditional cost.
So it's not surprising that there is lots of interest in Vatanen just not at the price Duck's fans would like.

This isn't a sale, it's an auction. The only way an auction price remains lower than expected is if the number of bidders is limited (it isn't, the entire league is invited and there are multiple teams reported as being interested), or if there's an extremely brief period for teams to bid (there isn't, this has been going on for weeks now).

 

[dracom]

Any time that there is a "motivated seller" you will bring out bargain hunters.
Why do you think in sales they advertise something as having to be sold by a certain date?
This "urgency" leads buyers to believe they will be able to by the item being sold at a price lower than it's true value/traditional cost.
So it's not surprising that there is lots of interest in Vatanen just not at the price Duck's fans would like.

And you know what the actual price is?

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

Do you expect brown to post 30+ goals next year? That's a terrible comparison, they play no where near the same type of game, or have anywhere near the same skill level.

And yet Brown , without the benefit to having played in the league before, being used often in a shutdown roll against the opposing teams top line, playing on the PK and not getting as much PP time as Rackell still managed to put up similar numbers.
So why couldn't he produce similar numbers as Rackell at the same age?

 

[Jeypic]

This isn't a sale, it's an auction. The only way an auction price remains lower than expected is if the number of bidders is limited (it isn't, the entire league is invited and there are multiple teams reported as being interested), or if there's an extremely brief period for teams to bid (there isn't, this has been going on for weeks now).

The number of bidders is limited by the expansion draft handcuffing teams

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Now imagine if people asked for zaitsev or rielly what leaf fans would demand... this thread is getting good

 

[lindholmie]

ITT; leafs fans pump up their players

put down other teams players lmao

brown might become rakell
vatanen isnt worth a 1st
montour played bad in the playoffs
kapanen at worst will score 50+ while being an elite pk'er

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

The number of bidders is limited by the expansion draft handcuffing teams

Didn't realize we had someone that was so in touch with the NHL offices

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

ITT; leafs fans pump up their players

put down other teams players lmao

brown might become rakell
vatanen isnt worth a 1st
montour played bad in the playoffs
kapanen at worst will score 50+ while being an elite pk'er

JVR is a star(but willing to add leivo to him for a 4d)
Rielly is going to be a top 5 dmen in the league
Gardnir is 1 of the top shut down dmen in the league

it goes on and on, I'm just shocked this allstar team lost to the caps, maybe its a coaching issue

 

[lindholmie]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-might-waive-no-move-clause-ahead-expansion-draft/

13. Don’t think the Ducks are in on Evander Kane. I’d heard that, and have seen it reported, but the Intel suggests otherwise. As half the league swoops around Sami Vatanen, the Ducks are conscious of cap concerns. I’m not sure they wish to take a ton of salary back. Certainly, from a purely hockey point of view, a Vatanen-Jonathan Drouin deal makes sense, but not sure the Ducks can fit a new deal for the talented forward. They’ve got lots of options, tough

friedman saying half the league.not just the leafs wtf

thinks drouin- vatanen makes sense. but i thought he wasnt even worth kapanen straight up????

 

[liquiduck]

And yet Brown , without the benefit to having played in the league before, being used often in a shutdown roll against the opposing teams top line, playing on the PK and not getting as much PP time as Rackell still managed to put up similar numbers.
So why couldn't he produce similar numbers as Rackell at the same age?

You're comparing apples to Oranges. Once Rakell was moved from center to wing he exploded offensively. How much do you think Brown would produce centering his own line?

I don't get this Brown played on a shutdown line all season narrative, he played a lot with Mathews.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Like I said if you can do better then Kapanen elsewhere good for you because the Leafs won't do better then Kapanen. Hats off if you manage to get Drouin lol.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-might-waive-no-move-clause-ahead-expansion-draft/



friedman saying half the league.not just the leafs wtf

thinks drouin- vatanen makes sense. but i thought he wasnt even worth kapanen straight up????

Well kapanen out scored drouin in the AHL... so kapanen is the superior player, judging by his play style and play going forward he should be a ppg player by 2019.

 

[Jeypic]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-might-waive-no-move-clause-ahead-expansion-draft/



friedman saying half the league.not just the leafs wtf

thinks drouin- vatanen makes sense. but i thought he wasnt even worth kapanen straight up????

Not to us no. Good luck with vatanen for drouin lol

 

[Ciao]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-might-waive-no-move-clause-ahead-expansion-draft/



friedman saying half the league.not just the leafs wtf

thinks drouin- vatanen makes sense. but i thought he wasnt even worth kapanen straight up????

Excellent news! Couldn't be better. Let's hope the Ducks use one of those many other options without tapping on the Leafs

Maybe Vatanen for Drouin straight up? Yaay! Go get 'em!

 

[Jeypic]

Like I said if you can do better then Kapanen elsewhere good for you because the Leafs won't do better then Kapanen. Hats off if you manage to get Drouin lol.

If the cost is kapanen we might as well wait until after the expansion and pay it to Las Vegas so we don't have to expose carrick.

 

[Ducks DVM]

The number of bidders is limited by the expansion draft handcuffing teams

As long as the number is greater than one, bidding still occurs. Three teams gave actualky been named, and there's Friedman saying that half the league is reputedly in on it.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

If the cost is kapanen we might as well wait until after the expansion and pay it to Las Vegas so we don't have to expose carrick.

Again if you guys traded carrick + kapanen to Anaheim for vatanen I think most fans would laugh at Anaheim.

Carrick is literally an irrelevant asset when you get vatanen

 

[KaseMeOutside]

well we 2yrs where they played at the same level at the same age:

Age 20 AHL

Brown: 76gms, 21gls, 61pts (82gms, 23gls, 66pts)
Rackell: 46gms, 14gls, 37pts (82gms, 25gls, 66pts)

Age 22 NHL

Brown: 82gms, 20gls, 36pts (82gms, 20gls, 36pts)
Rackell: 72gms, 20gls, 43pts (82gms, 23gls, 49pts)

and of course, rakell got double the PP time brown did at 22.

Good luck hoping for that development curve

 

[Liferleafer]

Well Leafs fans; guess we are out now that Drouin is being traded for Vatanen. ...congrats Ducks fans, good haul.

 

[Ciao]

Hopefully the Drouin-Vatanen or Drouin-Vatanen+ sweepstakes leave the Leafs out in the cold. I'd much rather the Ducks find other offers more attractive, as they probably will.

 

[dracom]

Again if you guys traded carrick + kapanen to Anaheim for vatanen I think most fans would laugh at Anaheim.

Carrick is literally an irrelevant asset when you get vatanen

Carrick could be exposed for us if we have to buyout Bieksa. Carrick's only use to us would be to be exposed. So yeah, Carrick + Kapanen for Vats would be a terrible deal for us.

 

[pbgoalie]

Like I said if you can do better then Kapanen elsewhere good for you because the Leafs won't do better then Kapanen. Hats off if you manage to get Drouin lol.

Ok, thanks Lou

 

[Crosbysux]

Not to us no. Good luck with vatanen for drouin lol

Yeah, I'm sure Lou and Babcock came to multiple Duck playoff games as a favor to BM. Maybe it's also standard practice since coaches/GMs make a habit of attending other teams playoff games after they've been eliminated. I mean, Murray and RC have been at every Stanley Cup game so far