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Yeah he's probably gone after this year. If he keeps it up he's gonna want bank or a chance to prove he's more than just a backup. Neither of which are available in Winnipeg.
That is still a huge win for us. We will have had a low price great season out of him and will get asset(s) back for him if we trade him. And the cost of signing him was just his league low salary. Kudos to Chevy for this move.Yeah he's probably gone after this year. If he keeps it up he's gonna want bank or a chance to prove he's more than just a backup. Neither of which are available in Winnipeg.
Brossoit is still a RFA after the season, so the Jets will have team control. So assuming they give him a qualifying offer which they will and no other team gives him an offer sheet, which is unlikely, I'm guessing the Jets resign though he will get a decent raise.That is still a huge win for us. We will have had a low price great season out of him and will get asset(s) back for him if we trade him. And the cost of signing him was just his league low salary. Kudos to Chevy for this move.
Brossoit is still a RFA after the season, so the Jets will have team control. So assuming they give him a qualifying offer which they will and no other team gives him an offer sheet, which is unlikely, I'm guessing the Jets resign though he will get a decent raise.
I think it will depend on whether the Jets want to risk a potential high arbitration award or not.
TNSE would have the right to walk away from any contract awarded to Laurent. I believe it will be a non issue.
Only if the arbitration award exceeds a certain threshold. In Brossoit's case, that is not going to happen, as the threshold is in the 4 million range (?).TNSE would have the right to walk away from any contract awarded to Laurent. I believe it will be a non issue.
Talbot looks like classic reclaim project. Suffers from the oil jinx or whatever it is called.As @PhilJets pointed out in another thread a few days ago, many contenders' backups seem to post godly numbers and not all of them are starters.
Examples:
Scott Darling
Phillip Grubaeur
Aaron Dell
Cam Talbot
Jussi Saros
Only if the arbitration award exceeds a certain threshold. In Brossoit's case, that is not going to happen, as the threshold is in the 4 million range (?).
I think the Jets sign him for at least 1 more year well before any arbitration hearing and for a reasonable backup amount. No GM short of Chiarelli is going to sign him as if he is a lifetime .943 starter after the 20-25 games he starts this season. As much as I am in his corner pulling for the guy his NHL career has been pretty uneven to this point. Last season on a bad team he was .883 after 14 starts. Probably his best path to a nice longer term contract is stringing together a couple strong seasons as a backup to a good team.I think it will depend on whether the Jets want to risk a potential high arbitration award or not.
I think the Jets sign him for at least 1 more year well before any arbitration hearing and for a reasonable backup amount. No GM short of Chiarelli is going to sign him as if he is a lifetime .943 starter after the 20-25 games he starts this season. As much as I am in his corner pulling for the guy his NHL career has been pretty uneven to this point. Last season on a bad team he was .88De3 after 14 starts. Probably his best path to a nice longer term contract is stringing together a couple strong seasons as a backup to a good team.
Forwards | ||||
Line | Left Wing | Center | Right Wing | Total |
1 | Connor, Kyle | Scheifele, Mark | Laine, Patrick | |
7,000,000 | 6,125,000 | 9,500,000 | 22,625,000 | |
2 | Ehlers, Nick | Little, Brian | Wheeler, Blake | |
6,000,000 | 5,291,666 | 8,250,000 | 19,541,666 | |
3 | Vesalainen, Kristian | Roslovic, Jack | Petan | |
1,491,666 | 1,106,666 | 1,000,000 | 3,598,332 | |
4 | Copp, Andrew | Lowry, Adam | Appelton, Mason | |
2,000,000 | 2,916,666 | 800,000 | 5,716,666 | |
Extras | Extra 1 | Extra 2 | ||
800,000 | 800,000 | 1,600,000 | ||
Froward total | 53,081,664 | |||
Defense | ||||
Pair | Left Defense | Right Defense | ||
1 | Morrissey, Josh | Trouba, Jacob | ||
3,150,000 | 7,000,000 | 10,150,000 | ||
2 | Niku, Sami | Byfuglien, Dustin | ||
916,667 | 7,600,000 | 8,516,667 | ||
3 | Extra | Poolman, Tucker | ||
1,000,000 | 775,000 | 1,775,000 | ||
Extras | Extra 1 | |||
1,000,000 | 1,000,000 | |||
Defense Total | 21,441,667 | |||
Goalies | Starter | Backup | ||
Hellebuyck, Connor | Extra 1 | |||
6,166,667 | 1,300,000 | 7,466,667 | ||
Buy out | 1,445,000 | |||
Grand Total | 83,434,998 | |||
Estimated Cap Ceiling | 83,000,000 | |||
Cap space remaining | - 434,998 |
Delete off-topic.The issue is the Jets likely don't have the space to offer him much over a million.
Brossoit is a current career .914
Other backups:
Hutch career .908 signed for 1.3 million this past year
DeSmith career .918 signed for $1.25
Condon signed for over 2 million a year posting inferior numbers to both.
You are at least looking at at least 1.3 million (As mentioned that isn't even league average for a backup).
Even with moving both Perrault and Kulikov we can't afford a 1.3 million backup
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Forwards Line Left Wing Center Right Wing Total 1 Connor, Kyle Scheifele, Mark Laine, Patrick 7,000,000 6,125,000 9,500,000 22,625,000 2 Ehlers, Nick Little, Brian Wheeler, Blake 6,000,000 5,291,666 8,250,000 19,541,666 3 Vesalainen, Kristian Roslovic, Jack Petan 1,491,666 1,106,666 1,000,000 3,598,332 4 Copp, Andrew Lowry, Adam Appelton, Mason 2,000,000 2,916,666 800,000 5,716,666 Extras Extra 1 Extra 2 800,000 800,000 1,600,000 Froward total 53,081,664 Defense Pair Left Defense Right Defense 1 Morrissey, Josh Trouba, Jacob 3,150,000 7,000,000 10,150,000 2 Niku, Sami Byfuglien, Dustin 916,667 7,600,000 8,516,667 3 Extra Poolman, Tucker 1,000,000 775,000 1,775,000 Extras Extra 1 1,000,000 1,000,000 Defense Total 21,441,667 Goalies Starter Backup Hellebuyck, Connor Extra 1 6,166,667 1,300,000 7,466,667 Buy out 1,445,000 Grand Total 83,434,998 Estimated Cap Ceiling 83,000,000 Cap space remaining - 434,998
But that assumes everything you guess comes to pass. There is a good possibility of bridging Connor if signing him long term costs $7 M, I also think $9.5 M for Laine is on the high end. I don't think there is any realistic chance that Trouba re-signs and the most likely scenario is he is dealt in a futures heavy deal saving considerable money on next year's cap. Without going back to check but doesn't KV's performance bonuses kick in, in year 2 of his ELC and since it has slid that won't be next season? Also just as easy Copp signs for closer to 1.5 than 2 M. Too many moving parts IMO to say a couple 100,000's is the difference in signing a backup goalie. And who do we buy out?The issue is the Jets likely don't have the space to offer him much over a million.
Brossoit is a current career .914
Other backups:
Hutch career .908 signed for 1.3 million this past year
DeSmith career .918 signed for $1.25
Condon signed for over 2 million a year posting inferior numbers to both.
You are at least looking at at least 1.3 million (As mentioned that isn't even league average for a backup).
Even with moving both Perrault and Kulikov we can't afford a 1.3 million backup
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Forwards Line Left Wing Center Right Wing Total 1 Connor, Kyle Scheifele, Mark Laine, Patrick 7,000,000 6,125,000 9,500,000 22,625,000 2 Ehlers, Nick Little, Brian Wheeler, Blake 6,000,000 5,291,666 8,250,000 19,541,666 3 Vesalainen, Kristian Roslovic, Jack Petan 1,491,666 1,106,666 1,000,000 3,598,332 4 Copp, Andrew Lowry, Adam Appelton, Mason 2,000,000 2,916,666 800,000 5,716,666 Extras Extra 1 Extra 2 800,000 800,000 1,600,000 Froward total 53,081,664 Defense Pair Left Defense Right Defense 1 Morrissey, Josh Trouba, Jacob 3,150,000 7,000,000 10,150,000 2 Niku, Sami Byfuglien, Dustin 916,667 7,600,000 8,516,667 3 Extra Poolman, Tucker 1,000,000 775,000 1,775,000 Extras Extra 1 1,000,000 1,000,000 Defense Total 21,441,667 Goalies Starter Backup Hellebuyck, Connor Extra 1 6,166,667 1,300,000 7,466,667 Buy out 1,445,000 Grand Total 83,434,998 Estimated Cap Ceiling 83,000,000 Cap space remaining - 434,998
The issue is the Jets likely don't have the space to offer him much over a million.
Brossoit is a current career .914
Other backups:
Hutch career .908 signed for 1.3 million this past year
DeSmith career .918 signed for $1.25
Condon signed for over 2 million a year posting inferior numbers to both.
You are at least looking at at least 1.3 million (As mentioned that isn't even league average for a backup).
Even with moving both Perrault and Kulikov we can't afford a 1.3 million backup
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Forwards Line Left Wing Center Right Wing Total 1 Connor, Kyle Scheifele, Mark Laine, Patrick 7,000,000 6,125,000 9,500,000 22,625,000 2 Ehlers, Nick Little, Brian Wheeler, Blake 6,000,000 5,291,666 8,250,000 19,541,666 3 Vesalainen, Kristian Roslovic, Jack Petan 1,491,666 1,106,666 1,000,000 3,598,332 4 Copp, Andrew Lowry, Adam Appelton, Mason 2,000,000 2,916,666 800,000 5,716,666 Extras Extra 1 Extra 2 800,000 800,000 1,600,000 Froward total 53,081,664 Defense Pair Left Defense Right Defense 1 Morrissey, Josh Trouba, Jacob 3,150,000 7,000,000 10,150,000 2 Niku, Sami Byfuglien, Dustin 916,667 7,600,000 8,516,667 3 Extra Poolman, Tucker 1,000,000 775,000 1,775,000 Extras Extra 1 1,000,000 1,000,000 Defense Total 21,441,667 Goalies Starter Backup Hellebuyck, Connor Extra 1 6,166,667 1,300,000 7,466,667 Buy out 1,445,000 Grand Total 83,434,998 Estimated Cap Ceiling 83,000,000 Cap space remaining - 434,998
I appreciate your cap chart, but I believe you have overestimated a few million combined. Hoping Copp is under 2m, Connor and Trouba closer to 6.5m and Laine closer to 9m.
That’s my hope anyways
Also not to split hairs or anything but Petan will be gone and it will be Lemieux. I doubt if that saves any money or anything, but, for accuracy sake I really can't see them giving Petan a raise.The issue is the Jets likely don't have the space to offer him much over a million.
Brossoit is a current career .914
Other backups:
Hutch career .908 signed for 1.3 million this past year
DeSmith career .918 signed for $1.25
Condon signed for over 2 million a year posting inferior numbers to both.
You are at least looking at at least 1.3 million (As mentioned that isn't even league average for a backup).
Even with moving both Perrault and Kulikov we can't afford a 1.3 million backup
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Forwards Line Left Wing Center Right Wing Total 1 Connor, Kyle Scheifele, Mark Laine, Patrick 7,000,000 6,125,000 9,500,000 22,625,000 2 Ehlers, Nick Little, Brian Wheeler, Blake 6,000,000 5,291,666 8,250,000 19,541,666 3 Vesalainen, Kristian Roslovic, Jack Petan 1,491,666 1,106,666 1,000,000 3,598,332 4 Copp, Andrew Lowry, Adam Appelton, Mason 2,000,000 2,916,666 800,000 5,716,666 Extras Extra 1 Extra 2 800,000 800,000 1,600,000 Froward total 53,081,664 Defense Pair Left Defense Right Defense 1 Morrissey, Josh Trouba, Jacob 3,150,000 7,000,000 10,150,000 2 Niku, Sami Byfuglien, Dustin 916,667 7,600,000 8,516,667 3 Extra Poolman, Tucker 1,000,000 775,000 1,775,000 Extras Extra 1 1,000,000 1,000,000 Defense Total 21,441,667 Goalies Starter Backup Hellebuyck, Connor Extra 1 6,166,667 1,300,000 7,466,667 Buy out 1,445,000 Grand Total 83,434,998 Estimated Cap Ceiling 83,000,000 Cap space remaining - 434,998
But that assumes everything you guess comes to pass. There is a good possibility of bridging Connor if signing him long term costs $7 M, I also think $9.5 M for Laine is on the high end. I don't think there is any realistic chance that Trouba re-signs and the most likely scenario is he is dealt in a futures heavy deal saving considerable money on next year's cap. Without going back to check but doesn't KV's performance bonuses kick in, in year 2 of his ELC and since it has slid that won't be next season? Also just as easy Copp signs for closer to 1.5 than 2 M. Too many moving parts IMO to say a couple 100,000's is the difference in signing a backup goalie. And who do we buy out?
Also not to split hairs or anything but Petan will be gone and it will be Lemieux. I doubt if that saves any money or anything, but, for accuracy sake I really can't see them giving Petan a raise.
I think having a a 50/30 split between your tandem is the way of the land in today’s NHL; and having a quality backup is a must during an 82 game season; and I just dont feel confident in Comrie yet.
If we can ink him to a 2yr, 1.5m type contract, you find the money. He has been mainly responsible for winning us points in 4 or 5 of his wins, which is well worth that.
I also think fro an asset management stand point, holding on to Brossoit could provide us a nice trade chip if his current level of play is sustainable
Only if the arbitration award exceeds a certain threshold. In Brossoit's case, that is not going to happen, as the threshold is in the 4 million range (?).
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The only reason why Chevy signed Brossoit for league minimum was from his performance stats with the rusty Oilers --that's all he was worth.
Now that we see over 10 or 11 games he has the highest save percentage of all Goalies in the NHL-- circumstances have changed. Because great Goaltenders are worth more than great wingers IMO - they should pay Brossoit anywhere from $ 1.5 to 2 mil -- to retain his services.
If he continues to post these outstanding numbers, he could be traded for a quality 2nd line center, or some high 1st round picks. I do not see the Jet's risking losing Brossoit over a little bit of money --when it's possible he could be better than Helle, and maybe be a Vezina type Goaltender.
I say give the guy a decent raise --and make sure he stays here --then see what he can do over a longer period, and if he turns out --your really in a great position.
Same goes for Tanev.
Guys that you don't want to way overpay for are guys like Laine or Connor -- until their proven, however with Connor, he is more proven than Laine at this time, and you know what you have somewhat.
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