Player Discussion: Laurent Brossoit

[Derfel]

Realized that there was no dedicated thread for discussion about Brossoit (and much of the discussion was taking place in the Hellebuyck thread).

So here we go.

Is his play sustainable? Should he get more starts? Should we leverage him for other pieces? If Hellebuyck is down with injury, are we confident he could get us there?

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[DRW204]

asked this in the Helle thread - i know Brossoit hasn't faced the stiffest of competition of teams. But I feel like when he's in the net he's facing higher difficulty of shots/scoring opportunities (and more shots against on average). Is there any numbers that confirm this? Is there a SOGs against heat map publicly available for goalies? How does it compare vs Helle

 

[Evil Little]

Fun with small sample sizes...

 

[Channelcat]

Other teams will run with the hot hand, yet that isn't how TNSE operates apparently. Nobody is saying Helly has been usurped...even if Bro played 3 or 4 in a row whats the big deal?

 

[Trinity]

Love this guy! Helle needs to be planted firmly on the bench until further notice!

 

[King Woodballs]

While I don’t think he is a starter, I do think he needs to play more.
But there are 6+ million reasons he won’t...

 

[Afterburner]

Between Helle and Croissant, we have a pretty dynamic duo between the pipes. I want to see Bros in more to give Helle some rest for the playoff run too. We need fresh Helle, not overbaked Helle.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Realized that there was no dedicated thread for discussion about Brossoit (and much of the discussion was taking place in the Hellebuyck thread).

So here we go.

Is his play sustainable? Should he get more starts? Should we leverage him for other pieces? If Hellebuyck is down with injury, are we confident he could get us there?

Sustainable? No. If he sustained these numbers he would be the greatest goalie in the history of hockey anywhere ever. Does he need to sustain these numbers? No. He will regress. But he has room to regress and still be great to exceptional. Will he be great? Only time will tell.

More starts? Yes he should get more starts. More than a few of us have been saying that for a while. Now Maurice is saying it. Good sign. Good call by Maurice to give him the start last night.

Confident he could get us there? Not really. His sample size with the Jets is still too small to know what we really have. He will eventually crap the bed. I will be very interested to see what happens in the very next start after he craps the bed.

 

[DRW204]

small sample alert

Player	GP	TOI	Shots Against/60	Saves/60	SV%	HD Shots Against/60	HD Saves/60
Connor Hellebuyck	35	2049.767	31.23	28.36	0.908	7.79	6.15
Laurent Brossoit	12	716.3333	35.26	33.25	0.943	9.46	8.46

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Brossoit 2nd in the league in GSAA at 14.65 (Vas is #1 at 14.87)

 

[GNP]

This guy look like the "real deal"--we need to rotate the Goalies --and let them each play 3-4 games in a row, and then over a longer sample size, we'll see what we have in Brossoit. It makes "no sense" to just sit back and wonder how good he really is ??

If he shows consistent play -- extend him for 2-3 years at around $ 2mil, and lock him up. Montreal spends $ 10 mil per year on one Goalie. We can afford to pay Helle 6 and Brossoit 2-total = $ 8mil , for 2 good Golatenders.

I say--give him a fair shot.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Careers:

Hellebuyck 184 games / .915 sv%
Brossoit 40 games / .914 sv%

Brossoit still in the small sample size range. There is a long list of goalies no longer in the NHL that have put up a .940 over 12 games before. I don't think Brossoit will be one of them. But he won't set a single season sv% record either. I do wonder what the regression will look like.

 

[GNP]

Careers:

Hellebuyck 184 games / .915 sv%
Brossoit 40 games / .914 sv%

Brossoit still in the small sample size range. There is a long list of goalies no longer in the NHL that have put up a .940 over 12 games before. I don't think Brossoit will be one of them. But he won't set a single season sv% record either. I do wonder what the regression will look like.

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These numbers you point out on Brossoit could very well be true, however he says he improved a lot of things in the off season, and he was with a very bad team in the Oilers last season, with a poor defense, so we'll have to see what his numbers are like with the Jets, over a longer period of time. Then we'll know for sure what we have.

 

[jetdiehard]

I would start Brossoit on both these games on the road.
Then review our goaltending.

 

[cbcwpg]

Brossoit Sets Franchise Record to Help Jets Past Golden Knights 4-1 | ChrisD.ca

Didn't realize Laurent Brossoit set a franchise record last game .... The Jets backup goalie stopped a franchise-record 26 shots in the second period .

Good Brossoit... Bad Jets.

“I like games like that where I’m tested early and often. The second period was definitely one of those and it got me into the game. There’s not a lot of rest in between. I like that.”

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Maybe hold off on the enthusiasm for getting peppered with pucks. Long term it's better for the Jets if you don't. Just sayin'.

 

[Jets4Life]

Other teams will run with the hot hand, yet that isn't how TNSE operates apparently. Nobody is saying Helly has been usurped...even if Bro played 3 or 4 in a row whats the big deal?

That's not exactly true. When Hutch was playing lights out in 2014, they anointed him the #1 goalie for over two months.

 

[KingBogo]

Other teams will run with the hot hand, yet that isn't how TNSE operates apparently. Nobody is saying Helly has been usurped...even if Bro played 3 or 4 in a row whats the big deal?

The Capitals didn't last season. Throughout the regular season Grubauer outplayed Holtby much the same way Brossoit has been out playing Helly for us this season. Even though Holtby had his worst season by far in the NHL they didn't just run with Grubauer they instead gave him more of a workload but still maintained Holtby as their primary starter playing 54 games down from the average of 67 he had played the previous 3 seasons. In the end they went back to Holtby for most of the playoffs and he was lights out helping the Caps win a cup. It will do us no good for Maurice to start a goalie controversy. At some point it is very likely we will be riding Helly hard when we need him the most.

 

[tbcwpg]

I would start Brossoit on both these games on the road.
Then review our goaltending.

I wouldn't. Hellebuyck needs one of the two. It's too long of a break otherwise.

His numbers are obviously not sustainable but I'm a fan of the RFA control that the team has for next season. It's a tough spot but he should get probably 1/3 of the remaining starts. Keeps Hellebuyck fresh, since we were worried about him being overtired at the end of last season.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Good Brossoit... Bad Jets.

Six penalties contributed to that shot count. Sometimes your goalie has to be your best PK'er

 

[JetsFan815]

As @PhilJets pointed out in another thread a few days ago, many contenders' backups seem to post godly numbers and not all of them are starters.

Examples:

Scott Darling
Phillip Grubaeur
Aaron Dell
Cam Talbot
Jussi Saros

 

[GNP]

That's not exactly true. When Hutch was playing lights out in 2014, they anointed him the #1 goalie for over two months.

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This is a very good point Jets4Life--we have to find out what Brossoit can do over the long haul. Right now he looks fantastic, and I think he's for real -- but only a time tested period like about 1to 1.5 years, will tell us what we have in Brossoit-"for sure."

I think he's the real deal -- but nobody knows for sure --he has to prove it over time.

 

[kanadalainen]

Is his play sustainable? Should he get more starts? Should we leverage him for other pieces? If Hellebuyck is down with injury, are we confident he could get us there?

Having two good goalies is the happiest kind of problem for a hockey club. Rather than tussle, cuss and agonize over whether one is better than the other (with the premise being all-or-none), it may be easier to address the assets as a common resource.

Great questions posted by the OP.

My 0.02, in order:
- Unlikely, as is pointed out above, his career % is much more human.
- Yes, he's earned it.
- Hell no! Goaltending is important.
-Brossoit is a better player than, say - Comrie - I think. During the grind of the long season, two good goalies will get you very far. Switching gears -> the grind of the playoffs, two relatively rested tendies is a huge asset. Many SC contenders have two good (eg, hot) goalies. The Jets have two good tendies right now. Probably their TOI should trend to a more balanced total from this point on eg, Bro should get more games, to give #1 Helle more rest, so that he's good to go for the playoffs.

To directly answer your last question, if Brossoit had to deal with 90% of the remaining schedule I would suggest that his numbers would normalize. A mid .920's goalie is a great thing, and his hot start might see him there. We are simply working on conjecture, right? But the topic is really fun to discuss.

Now I've got to get to work.

 

[AlphaLackey]

Obviously not sustainable, but has played well enough to earn more starts and tougher starts. This will be good for Hellebuyck too and good for our collective goaltending (which has, all-in-all, been one of the best tandems in the league).

One thing's for sure -- look at the reaction from the day he was signed compared to even just the saner, more rational reactions on LB to this day. That to me says that we lucked out and got one of the better backups in the league, further cementing Chevy's reputation as the league's master dumpster diver.

 

[Board Bard]

Hopefully Rinne recreates the magic of last year's playoffs. Jets might need it.

 

[Jets4Life]

As @PhilJets pointed out in another thread a few days ago, many contenders' backups seem to post godly numbers and not all of them are starters.

Examples:

Scott Darling
Phillip Grubaeur
Aaron Dell
Cam Talbot
Jussi Saros

Cory Schneider too.

 

[surixon]

I thought it might be a good idea to do some backup research to see how much we could reasonably expect Brossoit to get as a backup:

Here are the backup goalies this season and their cap hit, cap hit% and cap hit on the projected $83 million cap:

Team	Goalie	Caphit	Caphit%	On $83 million cap
Anaheim	Ryan Miller	2,000,000	2.7%	2,241,000
Arizona	Darcy Kuemper	1,850,000	2.5%	2,075,000
Boston	Jaroslav Halak	2,750,000	3.5%	2,905,000
Buffalo	Linus Ullmark	750,000	0.9%	747,000
Calgary	David Rittich	800,000	1.0%	830,000
Carolina	Curtis McElhinney	850,000	1.1%	913,000
Chicago	Cam Ward	3,000,000	3.8%	3,154,000
Colorado	Philipp Grubauer	3,333,333	4.2%	3,486,000
Columbus	Joonas Korpisalo	900,000	1.2%	996,000
Dallas	Anton Khudobin	2,500,000	3.1%	2,573,000
Detroit	Jonathan Bernier	3,000,000	3.8%	3,154,000
Edmonton	Mikko Koskinen	2,500,000	3.3%	2,739,000
Florida	James Reimer	3,400,000	4.7%	3,901,000
Las Vegas	Malcolm Subban	650,000	0.9%	747,000
Los Angeles	Jack Campbell	675,000	0.9%	747,000
Montreal	Antti Niemi	950,000	1.3%	1,079,000
Minnesota	Alex Stalock	650,000	0.9%	747,000
Nashville	Juuse Saros	1,500,000	1.9%	1,577,000
New Jersey	Keith Kinkaid	1,250,000	1.7%	1,411,000
New York Rangers	Alexandar Georgiev	792,500	1.1%	913,000
New York Islanders	Thomas Griess	3,333,333	4.6%	3,818,000
Ottawa	Anders Nilsson	2,500,000	3.3%	2,739,000
Pittsburgh	Casey DeSmith	675,000	0.9%	747,000	1,350,000	1.6%
Philly	Michael Nueverth	2,500,000	3.4%	2,822,000
San Jose	Aaron Dell	1,900,000	2.5%	2,075,000
St Louis	Jordan Binnington	650,000	0.8%	664,000
Tampa	Louis Domingue	1,150,000	1.4%	1,162,000
Toronto	Garret Sparks	675,000	0.9%	747,000
Vancouver	Thatcher Demko	925,000	1.3%	1,079,000
Washington	Pheonix Copley	650,000	0.9%	747,000
Winnipeg	Laurent Brossoit	650,000	0.8%	664,000
	Average	1,603,521	2.1%	1,748,355
Other	Mike Condon	2,400,000	3.2%
Other	Michael Hutchinson	1,300,000	1.6%
Other	Chad Johnson	1,750,000	2.2%

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It looks like the average cap hit among backup goalies is about $1.6 million or 2.1% of the salary cap. That would equate to about $1.7 million on an 83 million cap. Given his stellar performance and the fact that he has arb rights a year before UFA, I would wager the 1.7 million might be the floor for him. Given that I have a hard time seeing how we could keep him given our cap situation in such a scenario.