Player Discussion: Laurent Brossoit

[jokesondee]

Yeah he's probably gone after this year. If he keeps it up he's gonna want bank or a chance to prove he's more than just a backup. Neither of which are available in Winnipeg.

 

[larmex99]

Yeah he's probably gone after this year. If he keeps it up he's gonna want bank or a chance to prove he's more than just a backup. Neither of which are available in Winnipeg.

That is still a huge win for us. We will have had a low price great season out of him and will get asset(s) back for him if we trade him. And the cost of signing him was just his league low salary. Kudos to Chevy for this move.

 

[KingBogo]

That is still a huge win for us. We will have had a low price great season out of him and will get asset(s) back for him if we trade him. And the cost of signing him was just his league low salary. Kudos to Chevy for this move.

Brossoit is still a RFA after the season, so the Jets will have team control. So assuming they give him a qualifying offer which they will and no other team gives him an offer sheet, which is unlikely, I'm guessing the Jets resign though he will get a decent raise.

 

[surixon]

Brossoit is still a RFA after the season, so the Jets will have team control. So assuming they give him a qualifying offer which they will and no other team gives him an offer sheet, which is unlikely, I'm guessing the Jets resign though he will get a decent raise.

I think it will depend on whether the Jets want to risk a potential high arbitration award or not.

 

[Say What]

I think it will depend on whether the Jets want to risk a potential high arbitration award or not.

TNSE would have the right to walk away from any contract awarded to Laurent. I believe it will be a non issue.

 

[surixon]

TNSE would have the right to walk away from any contract awarded to Laurent. I believe it will be a non issue.

I agree. But I would imagine they would want assets for him instead of losing him for nothing. They would also likely want their goalie situation set long before the arb date. I'm curious as to How It plays out. It's good that Comrie is performing ad a top tier goalie in the AHL as it gives the org some options.

 

[Maukkis]

TNSE would have the right to walk away from any contract awarded to Laurent. I believe it will be a non issue.

Only if the arbitration award exceeds a certain threshold. In Brossoit's case, that is not going to happen, as the threshold is in the 4 million range (?).

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

As @PhilJets pointed out in another thread a few days ago, many contenders' backups seem to post godly numbers and not all of them are starters.

Examples:

Scott Darling
Phillip Grubaeur
Aaron Dell
Cam Talbot
Jussi Saros

Talbot looks like classic reclaim project. Suffers from the oil jinx or whatever it is called.

 

[Say What]

Only if the arbitration award exceeds a certain threshold. In Brossoit's case, that is not going to happen, as the threshold is in the 4 million range (?).

As previously stated; I believe it will be a non issue.

 

[KingBogo]

I think it will depend on whether the Jets want to risk a potential high arbitration award or not.

I think the Jets sign him for at least 1 more year well before any arbitration hearing and for a reasonable backup amount. No GM short of Chiarelli is going to sign him as if he is a lifetime .943 starter after the 20-25 games he starts this season. As much as I am in his corner pulling for the guy his NHL career has been pretty uneven to this point. Last season on a bad team he was .883 after 14 starts. Probably his best path to a nice longer term contract is stringing together a couple strong seasons as a backup to a good team.

 

[surixon]

I think the Jets sign him for at least 1 more year well before any arbitration hearing and for a reasonable backup amount. No GM short of Chiarelli is going to sign him as if he is a lifetime .943 starter after the 20-25 games he starts this season. As much as I am in his corner pulling for the guy his NHL career has been pretty uneven to this point. Last season on a bad team he was .88De3 after 14 starts. Probably his best path to a nice longer term contract is stringing together a couple strong seasons as a backup to a good team.

The issue is the Jets likely don't have the space to offer him much over a million.

Brossoit is a current career .914

Other backups:
Hutch career .908 signed for 1.3 million this past year
DeSmith career .918 signed for $1.25
Condon signed for over 2 million a year posting inferior numbers to both.

You are at least looking at at least 1.3 million (As mentioned that isn't even league average for a backup).

Even with moving both Perrault and Kulikov we can't afford a 1.3 million backup

Forwards
Line	Left Wing	Center	Right Wing	Total
1	Connor, Kyle	Scheifele, Mark	Laine, Patrick
	7,000,000	6,125,000	9,500,000	22,625,000
2	Ehlers, Nick	Little, Brian	Wheeler, Blake
	6,000,000	5,291,666	8,250,000	19,541,666
3	Vesalainen, Kristian	Roslovic, Jack	Petan
	1,491,666	1,106,666	1,000,000	3,598,332
4	Copp, Andrew	Lowry, Adam	Appelton, Mason
	2,000,000	2,916,666	800,000	5,716,666
Extras	Extra 1	Extra 2
	800,000	800,000		1,600,000
Froward total				53,081,664
Defense
Pair	Left Defense	Right Defense
1	Morrissey, Josh	Trouba, Jacob
	3,150,000	7,000,000		10,150,000
2	Niku, Sami	Byfuglien, Dustin
	916,667	7,600,000		8,516,667
3	Extra	Poolman, Tucker
	1,000,000	775,000		1,775,000
Extras	Extra 1
	1,000,000			1,000,000
Defense Total				21,441,667
Goalies	Starter	Backup
	Hellebuyck, Connor	Extra 1
	6,166,667	1,300,000		7,466,667
Buy out				1,445,000
Grand Total				83,434,998
Estimated Cap Ceiling				83,000,000
Cap space remaining				- 434,998

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Adam da bomb]

The issue is the Jets likely don't have the space to offer him much over a million.

Brossoit is a current career .914

Other backups:
Hutch career .908 signed for 1.3 million this past year
DeSmith career .918 signed for $1.25
Condon signed for over 2 million a year posting inferior numbers to both.

You are at least looking at at least 1.3 million (As mentioned that isn't even league average for a backup).

Even with moving both Perrault and Kulikov we can't afford a 1.3 million backup

Forwards
Line	Left Wing	Center	Right Wing	Total
1	Connor, Kyle	Scheifele, Mark	Laine, Patrick
	7,000,000	6,125,000	9,500,000	22,625,000
2	Ehlers, Nick	Little, Brian	Wheeler, Blake
	6,000,000	5,291,666	8,250,000	19,541,666
3	Vesalainen, Kristian	Roslovic, Jack	Petan
	1,491,666	1,106,666	1,000,000	3,598,332
4	Copp, Andrew	Lowry, Adam	Appelton, Mason
	2,000,000	2,916,666	800,000	5,716,666
Extras	Extra 1	Extra 2
	800,000	800,000		1,600,000
Froward total				53,081,664
Defense
Pair	Left Defense	Right Defense
1	Morrissey, Josh	Trouba, Jacob
	3,150,000	7,000,000		10,150,000
2	Niku, Sami	Byfuglien, Dustin
	916,667	7,600,000		8,516,667
3	Extra	Poolman, Tucker
	1,000,000	775,000		1,775,000
Extras	Extra 1
	1,000,000			1,000,000
Defense Total				21,441,667
Goalies	Starter	Backup
	Hellebuyck, Connor	Extra 1
	6,166,667	1,300,000		7,466,667
Buy out				1,445,000
Grand Total				83,434,998
Estimated Cap Ceiling				83,000,000
Cap space remaining				- 434,998

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Delete off-topic.

 

[KingBogo]

The issue is the Jets likely don't have the space to offer him much over a million.

Brossoit is a current career .914

Other backups:
Hutch career .908 signed for 1.3 million this past year
DeSmith career .918 signed for $1.25
Condon signed for over 2 million a year posting inferior numbers to both.

You are at least looking at at least 1.3 million (As mentioned that isn't even league average for a backup).

Even with moving both Perrault and Kulikov we can't afford a 1.3 million backup

Forwards
Line	Left Wing	Center	Right Wing	Total
1	Connor, Kyle	Scheifele, Mark	Laine, Patrick
	7,000,000	6,125,000	9,500,000	22,625,000
2	Ehlers, Nick	Little, Brian	Wheeler, Blake
	6,000,000	5,291,666	8,250,000	19,541,666
3	Vesalainen, Kristian	Roslovic, Jack	Petan
	1,491,666	1,106,666	1,000,000	3,598,332
4	Copp, Andrew	Lowry, Adam	Appelton, Mason
	2,000,000	2,916,666	800,000	5,716,666
Extras	Extra 1	Extra 2
	800,000	800,000		1,600,000
Froward total				53,081,664
Defense
Pair	Left Defense	Right Defense
1	Morrissey, Josh	Trouba, Jacob
	3,150,000	7,000,000		10,150,000
2	Niku, Sami	Byfuglien, Dustin
	916,667	7,600,000		8,516,667
3	Extra	Poolman, Tucker
	1,000,000	775,000		1,775,000
Extras	Extra 1
	1,000,000			1,000,000
Defense Total				21,441,667
Goalies	Starter	Backup
	Hellebuyck, Connor	Extra 1
	6,166,667	1,300,000		7,466,667
Buy out				1,445,000
Grand Total				83,434,998
Estimated Cap Ceiling				83,000,000
Cap space remaining				- 434,998

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

But that assumes everything you guess comes to pass. There is a good possibility of bridging Connor if signing him long term costs $7 M, I also think $9.5 M for Laine is on the high end. I don't think there is any realistic chance that Trouba re-signs and the most likely scenario is he is dealt in a futures heavy deal saving considerable money on next year's cap. Without going back to check but doesn't KV's performance bonuses kick in, in year 2 of his ELC and since it has slid that won't be next season? Also just as easy Copp signs for closer to 1.5 than 2 M. Too many moving parts IMO to say a couple 100,000's is the difference in signing a backup goalie. And who do we buy out?

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

The issue is the Jets likely don't have the space to offer him much over a million.

Brossoit is a current career .914

Other backups:
Hutch career .908 signed for 1.3 million this past year
DeSmith career .918 signed for $1.25
Condon signed for over 2 million a year posting inferior numbers to both.

You are at least looking at at least 1.3 million (As mentioned that isn't even league average for a backup).

Even with moving both Perrault and Kulikov we can't afford a 1.3 million backup

Forwards
Line	Left Wing	Center	Right Wing	Total
1	Connor, Kyle	Scheifele, Mark	Laine, Patrick
	7,000,000	6,125,000	9,500,000	22,625,000
2	Ehlers, Nick	Little, Brian	Wheeler, Blake
	6,000,000	5,291,666	8,250,000	19,541,666
3	Vesalainen, Kristian	Roslovic, Jack	Petan
	1,491,666	1,106,666	1,000,000	3,598,332
4	Copp, Andrew	Lowry, Adam	Appelton, Mason
	2,000,000	2,916,666	800,000	5,716,666
Extras	Extra 1	Extra 2
	800,000	800,000		1,600,000
Froward total				53,081,664
Defense
Pair	Left Defense	Right Defense
1	Morrissey, Josh	Trouba, Jacob
	3,150,000	7,000,000		10,150,000
2	Niku, Sami	Byfuglien, Dustin
	916,667	7,600,000		8,516,667
3	Extra	Poolman, Tucker
	1,000,000	775,000		1,775,000
Extras	Extra 1
	1,000,000			1,000,000
Defense Total				21,441,667
Goalies	Starter	Backup
	Hellebuyck, Connor	Extra 1
	6,166,667	1,300,000		7,466,667
Buy out				1,445,000
Grand Total				83,434,998
Estimated Cap Ceiling				83,000,000
Cap space remaining				- 434,998

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

I appreciate your cap chart, but I believe you have overestimated a few million combined. Hoping Copp is under 2m, Connor and Trouba closer to 6.5m and Laine closer to 9m.

That’s my hope anyways

 

[surixon]

I appreciate your cap chart, but I believe you have overestimated a few million combined. Hoping Copp is under 2m, Connor and Trouba closer to 6.5m and Laine closer to 9m.

That’s my hope anyways

I estimated high on the higher end of market for a few of them as to not be surprised. For all we know they may want to keep a Kuli, Perrault, or Myers. They may also elect to keep Tanev and Chariot for close to 2 mil a piece. I think the fact they only signed Brossoit for league minimum last year was telling. Couple that with signing PB guys like Petan to 700 k and Poolman to 700 k and I believe that Chevy realizes that he needs to round out his depth with near cap minimum players. Given Helle's contract and workload I can't see Chevy paying decent value for a backup. He will likely look to go cheap again, I'd wager the plan is to still have Comrie there next season barring Brossoit taking 1 million or less.

 

[Adam da bomb]

The issue is the Jets likely don't have the space to offer him much over a million.

Brossoit is a current career .914

Other backups:
Hutch career .908 signed for 1.3 million this past year
DeSmith career .918 signed for $1.25
Condon signed for over 2 million a year posting inferior numbers to both.

You are at least looking at at least 1.3 million (As mentioned that isn't even league average for a backup).

Even with moving both Perrault and Kulikov we can't afford a 1.3 million backup

Forwards
Line	Left Wing	Center	Right Wing	Total
1	Connor, Kyle	Scheifele, Mark	Laine, Patrick
	7,000,000	6,125,000	9,500,000	22,625,000
2	Ehlers, Nick	Little, Brian	Wheeler, Blake
	6,000,000	5,291,666	8,250,000	19,541,666
3	Vesalainen, Kristian	Roslovic, Jack	Petan
	1,491,666	1,106,666	1,000,000	3,598,332
4	Copp, Andrew	Lowry, Adam	Appelton, Mason
	2,000,000	2,916,666	800,000	5,716,666
Extras	Extra 1	Extra 2
	800,000	800,000		1,600,000
Froward total				53,081,664
Defense
Pair	Left Defense	Right Defense
1	Morrissey, Josh	Trouba, Jacob
	3,150,000	7,000,000		10,150,000
2	Niku, Sami	Byfuglien, Dustin
	916,667	7,600,000		8,516,667
3	Extra	Poolman, Tucker
	1,000,000	775,000		1,775,000
Extras	Extra 1
	1,000,000			1,000,000
Defense Total				21,441,667
Goalies	Starter	Backup
	Hellebuyck, Connor	Extra 1
	6,166,667	1,300,000		7,466,667
Buy out				1,445,000
Grand Total				83,434,998
Estimated Cap Ceiling				83,000,000
Cap space remaining				- 434,998

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Also not to split hairs or anything but Petan will be gone and it will be Lemieux. I doubt if that saves any money or anything, but, for accuracy sake I really can't see them giving Petan a raise.

 

[surixon]

But that assumes everything you guess comes to pass. There is a good possibility of bridging Connor if signing him long term costs $7 M, I also think $9.5 M for Laine is on the high end. I don't think there is any realistic chance that Trouba re-signs and the most likely scenario is he is dealt in a futures heavy deal saving considerable money on next year's cap. Without going back to check but doesn't KV's performance bonuses kick in, in year 2 of his ELC and since it has slid that won't be next season? Also just as easy Copp signs for closer to 1.5 than 2 M. Too many moving parts IMO to say a couple 100,000's is the difference in signing a backup goalie. And who do we buy out?

That was only one permutation. There are players that walked that the org likes such as Tanev and Myers. I feel that if Chevy is going to pay for a depth piece it will likely be Chariot and or Tanev.

 

[surixon]

Also not to split hairs or anything but Petan will be gone and it will be Lemieux. I doubt if that saves any money or anything, but, for accuracy sake I really can't see them giving Petan a raise.

That was from last summer. I haven't adapted the names on the list. I was merely was pointing out what a likely caphit for the position would be. As mentioned could be as high as 2.5 million if Tanev is retained.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

I think having a a 50/30 split between your tandem is the way of the land in today’s NHL; and having a quality backup is a must during an 82 game season; and I just dont feel confident in Comrie yet.

If we can ink him to a 2yr, 1.5m type contract, you find the money. He has been mainly responsible for winning us points in 4 or 5 of his wins, which is well worth that.

I also think fro an asset management stand point, holding on to Brossoit could provide us a nice trade chip if his current level of play is sustainable

 

[surixon]

I think having a a 50/30 split between your tandem is the way of the land in today’s NHL; and having a quality backup is a must during an 82 game season; and I just dont feel confident in Comrie yet.

If we can ink him to a 2yr, 1.5m type contract, you find the money. He has been mainly responsible for winning us points in 4 or 5 of his wins, which is well worth that.

I also think fro an asset management stand point, holding on to Brossoit could provide us a nice trade chip if his current level of play is sustainable

I wouldn't have an issue with that but nothing in Maurice's coaching history suggests that he will deploy his goalies like that. Plus Helle likes the bulk majority of the starts so Maurice will keep playing him a lot.

If the goal is to to maximize a return on the asset then the time to trade him would be at the draft this summer after a career year. Its fair to not be confident in Comrie, heck I had no faith in Brossoit entering the year. Goalies are a fickle bunch.

 

[JetsFan815]

Only if the arbitration award exceeds a certain threshold. In Brossoit's case, that is not going to happen, as the threshold is in the 4 million range (?).

Yep, one only needs to look at how the Jets handled Joe Morrow last season to see what they would do with Brossoit. Morrow had an even smaller chance of getting a high arbitration award and yet the Jets did not qualify him, let him become a UFA and signed him as a UFA. They are not letting their cap situation be potentially messed with by an arbitrator over a backup goalie. If they can't agree to contract then he will be traded or not qualified if they can't find a trading partner.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Jumped the gun on the big money Helle deal, Brossoit may be better. Sample is still too small to know We need to give him more than 1/3 of the games through the end of regular season to figure out what we have.

 

[GNP]

I estimated high on the higher end of market for a few of them as to not be surprised. For all we know they may want to keep a Kuli, Perrault, or Myers. They may also elect to keep Tanev and Chariot for close to 2 mil a piece. I think the fact they only signed Brossoit for league minimum was telling.

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The only reason why Chevy signed Brossoit for league minimum was from his performance stats with the rusty Oilers --that's all he was worth.

Now that we see over 10 or 11 games he has the highest save percentage of all Goalies in the NHL-- circumstances have changed. Because great Goaltenders are worth more than great wingers IMO - they should pay Brossoit anywhere from $ 1.5 to 2 mil -- to retain his services.

If he continues to post these outstanding numbers, he could be traded for a quality 2nd line center, or some high 1st round picks. I do not see the Jet's risking losing Brossoit over a little bit of money --when it's possible he could be better than Helle, and maybe be a Vezina type Goaltender.

I say give the guy a decent raise --and make sure he stays here --then see what he can do over a longer period, and if he turns out --your really in a great position.

Same goes for Tanev.

Guys that you don't want to way overpay for are guys like Laine or Connor -- until their proven, however with Connor, he is more proven than Laine at this time, and you know what you have somewhat.
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[surixon]

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The only reason why Chevy signed Brossoit for league minimum was from his performance stats with the rusty Oilers --that's all he was worth.

Now that we see over 10 or 11 games he has the highest save percentage of all Goalies in the NHL-- circumstances have changed. Because great Goaltenders are worth more than great wingers IMO - they should pay Brossoit anywhere from $ 1.5 to 2 mil -- to retain his services.

If he continues to post these outstanding numbers, he could be traded for a quality 2nd line center, or some high 1st round picks. I do not see the Jet's risking losing Brossoit over a little bit of money --when it's possible he could be better than Helle, and maybe be a Vezina type Goaltender.

I say give the guy a decent raise --and make sure he stays here --then see what he can do over a longer period, and if he turns out --your really in a great position.

Same goes for Tanev.

Guys that you don't want to way overpay for are guys like Laine or Connor -- until their proven, however with Connor, he is more proven than Laine at this time, and you know what you have somewhat.
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My philosophy is the opposite. Brossoit plays a max of 20 games a year for us due to having a defacto starter as such his utility to us is limited. Backup goalies are also a dime a dozen so he is easily replaceable. You don't overpay for that position, especially since there is so much variance in performance. Brossoit is on fire this year but stunk last year for instance. Tanev is a proven useful bottom 6 player but they are also easily replaceable.

I have no problem paying for my impact players. While still a RAW and flawed player, Laine had the best WAR on the team last year. His shot and offense is such a weopon it more then makes up for his deficiencies. The way the league is trending you pay your talent and backfill with cheap depth. That is after all how teams like the Pens built. They paid their core of stars and went cheap on the depth. You just need to have an eye for it.

 

[GNP]

I respect your opinion Surixon, and agree with certain elements of your post --like you have to "pay" your core players, and then backfill with cheap depth. Agree with this, to an extent. ( not as extreme as you are though --little more moderate.)

That's exactly what the Jet's are doing right now with Brossoit and Tanev. What I'm saying is that "talented cheap depth" is hard to find -- just ask the Oilers, who lack exactly that--cheap depth.

You don't have to pay these guys an arm and a leg -- just give them a modest raise and keep them committed to the Hockey Club. What if it turns out that Brossoit becomes an all star Goaltender in the NHL, and wins a Vezina ?? Fans would be angry we gave him away for nothing. We have to see what he's got over the longer term, because we could have a real diamond in the rough.

I also don't see many real cheap guys like Tanev in the league, that can skate and hustle and score goals like he can, and at $1.1 mil per yr. These are the kind of sub core guys you want to lock in at cheap contract prices. These depth players, and their abililities, are key to winning in today's tight Cap NHL market.

I would do things a little differently than you-- but we "somewhat" think alike. I just think these backfill guys are more important than you do, and we should pay them a bit more, and shave a bit of money off the high end contracts to do it.