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The Scheifele angle is interesting. Here is a center that played a game prior to 17-18 that was highly compatible with both Laine and Ehlers game as noted in how well that line lit the lamp that year. It was a game based more on transition offense and him being a play driving playmaker. Since then he has morphed into a more limited offensive player in that he prefers to cycle and then get to the net for his shot. His new game is more patterned to play with Conner and Wheeler whereas his older game was more patterned to play with Laine and Ehlers. I prefer the old Scheifele to the one we have seen the last few years and would like him to get back there espeically if he wants to be seen as a top 10 center in the league again.
So even if Scheifele doesn't want to play with Laine atm things and preferences can change very quickly. If Laine comes into camp and is playing a more sound all around cycle game then perhaps Mark now wants to play with him. If Wheeler declines further then that may also necessitate a change in the line up. A system change to something more transition based may also change who Scheifele prefers to play with.
I think we need to let next year play out.
First lol
Prediction
46 goals 92 points
Plus minus of 30
Shooting % of 15.65378
22 power play goals
Leads the team to the Cup.
Sign contract after the season
5 x 9.2M
There's a lot of emphasis on the trade talk being stimulated by Laine and his desire to move on.
Maybe it's the other way around. Maybe the Jets have decided that Laine isn't progressing the way they'd hoped and they want to maximize the trade return before they lock him into a long-term lucrative deal. Maybe they saw all they needed in his 4th season with him on #1 RW and playing top 5 minutes in the NHL and decided that his contribution was lacking, and they want to take the opportunity to build the roster in another direction. Maybe getting a talented offensive player like Perfetti in the draft also changed their priorities.
The Scheifele angle is interesting. Here is a center that played a game prior to 17-18 that was highly compatible with both Laine and Ehlers game as noted in how well that line lit the lamp that year. It was a game based more on transition offense and him being a play driving playmaker. Since then he has morphed into a more limited offensive player in that he prefers to cycle and then get to the net for his shot. His new game is more patterned to play with Conner and Wheeler whereas his older game was more patterned to play with Laine and Ehlers. I prefer the old Scheifele to the one we have seen the last few years and would like him to get back there espeically if he wants to be seen as a top 10 center in the league again.
So even if Scheifele doesn't want to play with Laine atm things and preferences can change very quickly. If Laine comes into camp and is playing a more sound all around cycle game then perhaps Mark now wants to play with him. If Wheeler declines further then that may also necessitate a change in the line up. A system change to something more transition based may also change who Scheifele prefers to play with.
I think we need to let next year play out.
Isn't Wheeler declining already 5on5?It's weird because in order for Laine to get the best positioning, we almost have to hope that Wheeler declines, but that then becomes a problem itself.
There's a lot of emphasis on the trade talk being stimulated by Laine and his desire to move on.
Maybe it's the other way around. Maybe the Jets have decided that Laine isn't progressing the way they'd hoped and they want to maximize the trade return before they lock him into a long-term lucrative deal. Maybe they saw all they needed in his 4th season with him on #1 RW and playing top 5 minutes in the NHL and decided that his contribution was lacking, and they want to take the opportunity to build the roster in another direction. Maybe getting a talented offensive player like Perfetti in the draft also changed their priorities.
Isn't Wheeler declining already 5on5?
There's a lot of emphasis on the trade talk being stimulated by Laine and his desire to move on.
Maybe it's the other way around. Maybe the Jets have decided that Laine isn't progressing the way they'd hoped and they want to maximize the trade return before they lock him into a long-term lucrative deal. Maybe they saw all they needed in his 4th season with him on #1 RW and playing top 5 minutes in the NHL and decided that his contribution was lacking, and they want to take the opportunity to build the roster in another direction. Maybe getting a talented offensive player like Perfetti in the draft also changed their priorities.
There's a lot of emphasis on the trade talk being stimulated by Laine and his desire to move on.
Maybe it's the other way around. Maybe the Jets have decided that Laine isn't progressing the way they'd hoped and they want to maximize the trade return before they lock him into a long-term lucrative deal. Maybe they saw all they needed in his 4th season with him on #1 RW and playing top 5 minutes in the NHL and decided that his contribution was lacking, and they want to take the opportunity to build the roster in another direction. Maybe getting a talented offensive player like Perfetti in the draft also changed their priorities.
My take is Chevy really didn't like the way negotiations went with Laine last off season. This is just my speculation but to get Laine signed long term might be at a number beyond what Chevy wants to pay for a winger that doesn't produce or drive play like Panarin or Kuch. Laine while very skilled in some areas also requires the team to be organized around him because he doesn't transition the puck and needs his linemates to do this. I think Chevy would be fine with a pure scorer if he was willing to get Laine's camp to sign a corresponding contract especially in the current flat cap era. While the circumstances may be different, the path is potentially the same as Trouba. After this season Chevy's hands will be tied further as Laine will have a clear path to UFA status by going to arbitration. At that point getting full value back gets harder and harder.Very possible!
It could be that “both sides” are very comfortable gauging Laine’s trade value, that’s what they did, but the current overall market for wingers is crap which it appears to be.
Here for example, both Scheifele and Wheeler stating who they want to play with, not that it comes as a surprise to anyone:Could you please post the quote with scheifele stating who he wants to play with.
"You're watching that backdoor goal thinking, "Man, I haven't seen that in a while, that felt good,"" said Maurice of his team's third goal, that saw Scheifele find Wheeler on a two-on-one break.
"It was awesome," said Scheifele of skating on the same line as Wheeler. "Obviously you guys know I love playing with Blake, and it was great to see some productivity, and it end up on the scoresheet."
After multiple years of productive play together, injuries have forced them to anchor their own lines for the better part of the season. But the latest episode of the "Scheifele and Wheeler Show" against the Kings may have swayed Maurice into making them a more permanent tandem.
"They certainly made a strong argument today," he said. "It's something that you know you like, you've seen it work so well, but we've had our challenges with pieces of lines."
"With the circumstances of the season, we don't really have that luxury," said Wheeler, who's pair of goals saw him reach the 20-goal mark for the eighth time in his career. "It's just about filling in and doing the best you can, and trying to plug in any holes that might come up. Obviously it's going to be Paul's decision going forward, but I think we made a pretty good case (to stay together) tonight."
I have no idea if that's the way the Jets are thinking, but if they are contemplating trading Laine, maybe it's because they think they can acquire close to equivalent value in return for trading him, with a much lower impact on their salary cap.Yes, trade away a 22-year old averaging 37g/82, because he's a bust, but no worries, you have a teenager in the pipes who might become an NHLer someday. Seems smart
Not to say you couldn't be right, but it would only make any sense with the Jets if there's some underlying problems that are not apparent to the general public. Other than that you don't trade away succesful players who have yet to hit their prime, unless there's something seriously wrong in either the player or the situation in the org.
The Scheifele angle is interesting. Here is a center that played a game prior to 17-18 that was highly compatible with both Laine and Ehlers game as noted in how well that line lit the lamp that year. It was a game based more on transition offense and him being a play driving playmaker. Since then he has morphed into a more limited offensive player in that he prefers to cycle and then get to the net for his shot. His new game is more patterned to play with Conner and Wheeler whereas his older game was more patterned to play with Laine and Ehlers. I prefer the old Scheifele to the one we have seen the last few years and would like him to get back there espeically if he wants to be seen as a top 10 center in the league again.
So even if Scheifele doesn't want to play with Laine atm things and preferences can change very quickly. If Laine comes into camp and is playing a more sound all around cycle game then perhaps Mark now wants to play with him. If Wheeler declines further then that may also necessitate a change in the line up. A system change to something more transition based may also change who Scheifele prefers to play with.
I think we need to let next year play out.
I have no idea if that's the way the Jets are thinking, but if they are contemplating trading Laine, maybe it's because they think they can acquire close to equivalent value in return for trading him, with a much lower impact on their salary cap.
Trading Laine isn't just about losing a good young talent, it's about acquiring other talent, too.
Chevy has made some changes already to help with that.I say you play out this season and see how it goes, if the Jets don't play well then you think about making a massive trade for Laine. One thing about it is when Scheifele and Laine both got hurt in these last playoffs we had absolutely no offense, none.
Chevy has made some changes already to help with that.
In the playoff play-in, our Cs ended up being Copp, Eakin, Lowry and Shore for the most part with Wheeler sprinkled in there too at times. That’s pitiful and embarrassing. I’d say with that C group any team would be offence challenged. Having that lack of depth is on Chevy, no doubt.
And now having Stastny and potentially Perfetti able to move up in the lineup at C if Scheifele is injured is huge, IMO.
If the Jets anticipate big things from Samberg and Heinola in the next couple of years, in a top 4 role, then I’m fine with Chevy being done this offseason. I don’t think he is though. He has more cap space to play with still.