Player Discussion: Laine (Mod warning OP)

[Easternbull]

Agreed that CSL was never optimal since Connor and Line are both looking for the same soft areas in tjhe Ozone, and Laine became more of a playmaker and decoy on tjat line. Patrik has always had more succes with Ehlers and 55 IMHO but alas that appears to be history..

Have to answer the crituque that we finns have received on this board for not being REAL jets fans. How can you honestly be a real jets fan and swallow how Maurice has coached this team and 'm NOT refeering to the Laine situation.

No way the jets can win a cup during the Feffe and Helly window with Maurice coaching IMHO, with or without Laine.

 

[cbcwpg]

Yep, Chevy has to absolutely win the trade or he's gone . You just know if Laine got traded he would score 5 goals against us every time we played against him.

What's funny or sad I guess, is that IMO most Jets fans aren't on some forum talking hockey all the time or reading every last tidbit about Laine being traded. A lot of fans ( fans the Jets and STHs need to purchase tickets ) are going to just wake up one day and find out Laine has been traded and go WTF???

This could be the Dave Babych trade all over again.

https://thehockeywriters.com/winnipeg-jets-hartford-whaleres-dave-babych/

 

[Keduzin]

Barkov awaiting permission from Florida to play for Tappara. Laine might do the same

 

[JetsFan815]

I can't think of many other teams on which he'd not be on the first line - maybe Boston, and that's about it.

Just this last season players unequivocally better than Laine were not on first lines in Toronto, Tampa, Chicago, Pittsburg, Washington (interestingly all those teams are relatively recent cup winners with the exception of Toronto), I can add a few more teams with players who are better that play on the 2nd line but that would descend into a discussion if those players are indeed "better" than him so I won't go there.

If a player is upset about averaging 49 seconds less at 5 on 5 than the "top line winger" on the team than that to me is more an indictment of the player and the player being selfish.

 

[Jack722]

Just this last season players unequivocally better than Laine were not on first lines in Toronto, Tampa, Chicago, Pittsburg, Washington (interestingly all those teams are relatively recent cup winners with the exception of Toronto), I can add a few more teams with players who are better that play on the 2nd line but that would descend into a discussion if those players are indeed "better" than him so I won't go there.

If a player is upset about averaging 49 seconds less at 5 on 5 than the "top line winger" on the team than that to me is more an indictment of the player and the player being selfish.

I really doubt Laine's complaints (whatever they are and if they exist) have much to do with strict TOI.

 

[Ducky10]

I really doubt Laine's complaints (whatever they are and if they exist) have much to do with strict TOI.

So then he's just complaining about which Centre he gets to play with? Top 6 line designations are largely semantics, it's about TOI.

 

[ecolad]

Yeah I don't think he's going anywhere at this point. Probably not until next offseason at the earliest.

I've been critical of some parts of Laine's game but it should absolutely have not gotten to this point - a big name player that likes playing here, and can score a lot of goals. It's a big failure on the part of Maurice, Scheifele, Wheeler, and Chevy if he's traded because he wants to play somewhere else. I can't think of many other teams on which he'd not be on the first line - maybe Boston, and that's about it.

 

[Jack722]

So then he's just complaining about which Centre he gets to play with? Top 6 line designations are largely semantics, it's about TOI.

So do you agree that he's a "selfish player" who is "upset about averaging 49 seconds less at 5 on 5 than the "top line winger" on the team"?

 

[kelsier]

So then he's just complaining about which Centre he gets to play with? Top 6 line designations are largely semantics, it's about TOI.

You are correct. Laine, just as much as any fan who watches the Jets by now knows there'a 1st line and a 2nd line (minutes) and not something in between. That's just not in Maurice's playbook. You either play with Scheifele or you don't - we've all seen this before with Stastny around.

 

[Eyeseeing]

My translation of the quote from Tappara's representative JUkka Rautakorpi is "there is a good chance of seeing Barkov and Jokiharju, but less regarding Laine since there are so many uncertain factors regarding his situation, IMHO this comment has nothing to do with trainig but allludes to the trade talks.

Great piece of journalism from Sean Reynolds here:

Are Jets and Laine heading for inevitable split? - Sportsnet.ca

Watching this makes me shake my head.
This is on the organization for allowing a clique within the dressing room chose the line up with full compliance with coaching and management.
What a waste and should he end up elsewhere he will flourish.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Feel bad for the guy who gets prime PP minutes and gets feed the puck on that PP

Cry me a river

 

[Jets 31]

I could see Laine not being happy with Eakin as his center but i would think he would be happy playing with Stastny and Ehlers . For all we know that line could produce better than Scheifele , Connor and Wheeler because they wouldn't be against the other teams top defenseman as much as Scheifele's line. Then Laine takes all those good numbers with him when trying to negotiate a new contract. That's supposed to be me thinking by the way .

 

[Halberdier]

Feel bad for the guy who gets prime PP minutes and gets feed the puck on that PP

Cry me a river

I think there is some other guy crying a river right now. Over the excellent summary by Sean Reynolds.

I am too stubborn to buy that it's inevitable that Laine and Jets would part ways, but otherwise I think Reynolds made great summary.

 

[Halberdier]

I could see Laine not being happy with Eakin as his center but i would think he would be happy playing with Stastny and Ehlers . For all we know that line could produce better than Scheifele , Connor and Wheeler because they wouldn't be against the other teams top defenseman as much as Scheifele's line. Then Laine takes all those good numbers with him when trying to negotiate a new contract. That's supposed to be me thinking by the way .

If Stastny has not declined much and if Maurice stops doing his antics with "there is 1st line taking all the opportunity and then there are some other lines", I have no reason why ESL could not be the best Jet line as they were in 17-18.

 

[Jets 31]

If Stastny has not declined much and if Maurice stops doing his antics with "there is 1st line taking all the opportunity and then there are some other lines", I have no reason why ESL could not be the best Jet line as they were in 17-18.

If Maurice is smart, which i think he is, he would just call them line 1A and line 1B right at the start of camp . Now watch all the people get on me for thinking Maurice is smart.

 

[KingBogo]

If Maurice is smart, which i think he is, he would just call them line 1A and line 1B right at the start of camp . Now watch all the people get on me for thinking Maurice is smart.

I don't think the coach every gives them a #. That is a fan and media creation.

 

[Skidooboy]

I'll say this.


Malkin often doesn't play with Crosby. and rather than whining about it in the press and asking for trades....He excels on the ice and helps Crosby and the team be better.

I want Pate to be that guy.

 

[ecolad]

So then he's just complaining about which Centre he gets to play with? Top 6 line designations are largely semantics, it's about TOI.

I continue to be amazed that any of us think we have the foggiest notion what might be troubling Laine. or what it is that he`s conveyed to the Jets organization.There`s room for wild-assed speculation like we see all over this thread, but honestly, it`s starting to wear thin. To be honest, I am surprised that a knowledgeable hockey person such as yourself would imply that who Laine plays with has nothing to do with whatever troubles him and that such issue is somehow just a question of semantics.

Yes, which C he gets to play with is important , and I have no doubt that Laine was not terribly enthused when Chevy secured Eakin as his C last season - anymore than most of us on this board were.It s too bad that the overall team/player relationship seems to have soured so much that Laine may have seen this as a demotion and now may be having difficulty in appreciating Chevy`s efforts to improve that situation by upgrading the C to Stastny. The irony here is that Stastny might be a much better fit for Laine than Scheifele, all things considered.

 

[Whileee]

Watching this makes me shake my head.
This is on the organization for allowing a clique within the dressing room chose the line up with full compliance with coaching and management.
What a waste and should he end up elsewhere he will flourish.

Which players are members of this "clique"?

Scheifele? Wheeler? Ehlers? Connor? Morrissey? Hellebuyck? Lowry? Copp? Pionk?

Are these the lines that this "clique" forced on Maurice last season?

 

[DRW204]

I'll say this.


Malkin often doesn't play with Crosby. and rather than whining about it in the press and asking for trades....He excels on the ice and helps Crosby and the team be better.

I want Pate to be that guy.

I think Patrick Kane is the more adept comparison as Malkin and Sid plays the same position. Kane is typically 2Rw playing next to an array C over the years.... Strome, Bolland, handzus Richards, yet still putting up elite numbers. Don't recall ever hearing Patrick Kane complain about linemates or usage like Laine has the past two off seasons.

 

[Ducky10]

I don't think the coach every gives them a #. That is a fan and media creation.

Bingo, agreed. It’s just semantics.

 

[Jets 31]

I don't think the coach every gives them a #. That is a fan and media creation.

I know i just want this over and done with already .

 

[Keduzin]

 

[PhilJets]

Just this last season players unequivocally better than Laine were not on first lines in Toronto, Tampa, Chicago, Pittsburg, Washington (interestingly all those teams are relatively recent cup winners with the exception of Toronto), I can add a few more teams with players who are better that play on the 2nd line but that would descend into a discussion if those players are indeed "better" than him so I won't go there.

If a player is upset about averaging 49 seconds less at 5 on 5 than the "top line winger" on the team than that to me is more an indictment of the player and the player being selfish.

Dont confuse last season as the back half of 2nd & 3rd season where Laine was refering to about his ice time.

Laine has said nothing about his 4th season ice time.
LOOK , right now he is the only Jets player while the rest (which is cool), look in their instagram account, enjoying their time on vacations.
Where are these bashers now that was saying Laine lacks commitment just last week.
(Its like new stuff weekly, this week topic in the main board his shooting % )

Stop making things up.

Lets not Mix things up PLEASE.....

Last
Please make the this long list of players who has outscored Laine the last 4 years playing on Line 2 (2nd line ice time) Majority of time.

The way people dissect Laine here and in the main board, you know he is a special player.

 

[Ducky10]

Watching this makes me shake my head.
This is on the organization for allowing a clique within the dressing room chose the line up with full compliance with coaching and management.
What a waste and should he end up elsewhere he will flourish.

This post makes me shake my head.

He’ll flourish here, it’s well within his control.