Speculation: Kyle palmieri where’s he going?

[Blackjack]

Fitzgerald may want to again look at that Calder Cup winning Charlotte team after how well Kuokkanen has worked out thus far.

I'd rather he look at Brynäs.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

I know I could Google it but I'd rather ask here.. what type of player is Palmeri, what are the little things that make him good. Asking for a friend. Lol

 

[rocketdan9]

Islanders

Forget that!

You guys already won the Pageau sweepstakes

Let another team obtain Palmeri... like Bruins

To help beat Islanders

 

[Avsboy]

It's going to be the Islanders. He's from Long Island and Lou gets what he wants

 

[Devilinlillinois]

It's going to be the Islanders. He's from Long Island and Lou gets what he wants

It's true people who tell Lou no go missing

 

[Groo]

It's true people who tell Lou no go missing

 

[ninetyeight]

It has more to do with the impact of rentals being vastly overrated by some on here and some GMs...

Maybe, but draft picks are definitely overrated as well. I get top 15 or so, but how many late first rounders even become NHLers? Like 50%? How about 2nd? Maybe 30%, or less. Finding Pastrnaks Ahos and Kucherov is way more unlikely than winning the cup with a rental.

Also getting an UFA at the deadline definitely increases the chances of signing that player for next season, especially if the team and environment is good. If Palmieri is traded I'd say chances he signs back to NJ are very slim.

 

[IslandersFan17]

Maybe, but draft picks are definitely overrated as well. I get top 15 or so, but how many late first rounders even become NHLers? Like 50%? How about 2nd? Maybe 30%, or less. Finding Pastrnaks Ahos and Kucherov is way more unlikely than winning the cup with a rental.

Also getting an UFA at the deadline definitely increases the chances of signing that player for next season, especially if the team and environment is good. If Palmieri is traded I'd say chances he signs back to NJ are very slim.

Yet, very few teams have won with rentals that they have up quality assets for.

Moreover, while late picks may not bare much fruit in the ways of success, but the pick doesn’t have to be used at that slot. Could trade it for a player, use it to move up, use it to move down, possibly as a sweetener to unload a contract, etc...

 

[ninetyeight]

Yet, very few teams have won with rentals that they have up quality assets for.

I admit I don't have the stats for that, I just know that Tampa went all in last year and got it done. So how many of the last 20 winners did nothing at trade deadline? Winning is hard and only one team can win, you can still improve your team and not win. Are you suggesting that teams shouldn't even try to improve if a win is not guaranteed.

Moreover, while late picks may not bare much fruit in the ways of success, but the pick doesn’t have to be used at that slot. Could trade it for a player, use it to move up, use it to move down, possibly as a sweetener to unload a contract, etc...

That's true, and I draft picks and potential is exciting. Being a Devils fan though I envy the teams that have the chance to compete and win.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Maybe, but draft picks are definitely overrated as well. I get top 15 or so, but how many late first rounders even become NHLers? Like 50%? How about 2nd? Maybe 30%, or less. Finding Pastrnaks Ahos and Kucherov is way more unlikely than winning the cup with a rental.

Also getting an UFA at the deadline definitely increases the chances of signing that player for next season, especially if the team and environment is good. If Palmieri is traded I'd say chances he signs back to NJ are very slim.

This is why Trotz said (after acquiring Pageau last year at the TDL for a first) Lou did a great job in getting Pageau for a first because picks in that range aren't even guaranteed of making the show, let alone putting up comparable numbers to the player acquired.

Also why I think Lou will throw a first for Palmieri. The picks going to be in the 20's (most likely) and he'll try to sign Palmieri long-term (which would require all kinds of movement as the Isles are in all kinds of cap hell).

 

[HBK27]

None of those teams you mentioned won the cup. So, again the argument stands that teams who are winning the cup aren’t using big assets to acquire their help (at the deadline). Outside of the lightning recently who had zero issue throwing their first rounder around because they were clear contenders. No one should be looking for that big key piece at the deadline. Help to put you over the top, sure, but most of the major acquisitions where firsts and big specs are used should be the off season.

I’ve consistently used the phrase cup winners, the context and the topic matter. If you want to weigh in, I welcome it, but at least understand the topics you are trying to argue.

It's also a numbers game.

How many players at the trade deadline are actually worth a 1st round pick? Maybe 2-3 at most in a good year?

You have 16 teams in the playoffs - of those teams roughly 10-12 probably have a realistic shot of actually winning it all. So, right off the bat the odds are stacked against the Cup winning team being one of those 2 or so teams that dealt their first round pick at the deadline - especially when you consider a move like Arizona dealing their 1st last season for Taylor Hall. The Coyotes were on track to miss the playoffs before the NHL added the play-in round and even with Hall were not serious contenders.

It's also more difficult for the top teams in the league to make trades involving their 1st round pick, as they have less value than 1st rounders from other teams. Arizona's 1st round pick last season certainly held much more value than Tampa's, which likely to be among the bottom 4 in the first round (assuming they won at least 2 rounds) or at best in the 25-27 range.

Tampa was able to make that trade for Coleman in part because they dealt Vancouver's 1st round pick instead of their own, which held more value.

It's difficult to win a Cup. Even if adding a star player were to lift your team's chances of winning each round from 55% to 70%...ultimately, the odds are still against that team winning it all. I don't think you take a blanket approach of not dealing a 1st rounder unless you have a powerhouse team. Sometimes GM's need to swing for the fences even if it doesn't work out. I'm sure there are plenty of teams that fell short of winning a Cup during their peak periods that would've liked to have gone all in one of those years when they were contenders.

 

[Riseonfire]

Also why I think Lou will throw a first for Palmieri. The picks going to be in the 20's (most likely) and he'll try to sign Palmieri long-term (which would require all kinds of movement as the Isles are in all kinds of cap hell).

Well I sure f***ing hope not or Imma move into the anti-Lou club.

 

[njdevil26]

I still think there's a shot he stays in NJ. I found it very odd that his agent's Twitter posted to confirm he was held out anticipate a trade in the upcoming "days or weeks."

I think they are negotiating and the team said if you don't accept our terms we'll have to trade you and they said "then do it"

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Well I sure f***ing hope not or Imma move into the anti-Lou club.

Ageist.

 

[Riseonfire]

Ageist.

.....yes.

 

[Kevin27NYI]

I still think there's a shot he stays in NJ. I found it very odd that his agent's Twitter posted to confirm he was held out anticipate a trade in the upcoming "days or weeks."

I think they are negotiating and the team said if you don't accept our terms we'll have to trade you and they said "then do it"

Didn't he almost get hurt one game?

I think I read a tweet he almost got hurt vs the Bruins

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Winnipeg. He would be solid on their third line and on the PK.

 

[IslandersFan17]

It's also a numbers game.

How many players at the trade deadline are actually worth a 1st round pick? Maybe 2-3 at most in a good year?

You have 16 teams in the playoffs - of those teams roughly 10-12 probably have a realistic shot of actually winning it all. So, right off the bat the odds are stacked against the Cup winning team being one of those 2 or so teams that dealt their first round pick at the deadline - especially when you consider a move like Arizona dealing their 1st last season for Taylor Hall. The Coyotes were on track to miss the playoffs before the NHL added the play-in round and even with Hall were not serious contenders.

It's also more difficult for the top teams in the league to make trades involving their 1st round pick, as they have less value than 1st rounders from other teams. Arizona's 1st round pick last season certainly held much more value than Tampa's, which likely to be among the bottom 4 in the first round (assuming they won at least 2 rounds) or at best in the 25-27 range.

Tampa was able to make that trade for Coleman in part because they dealt Vancouver's 1st round pick instead of their own, which held more value.

It's difficult to win a Cup. Even if adding a star player were to lift your team's chances of winning each round from 55% to 70%...ultimately, the odds are still against that team winning it all. I don't think you take a blanket approach of not dealing a 1st rounder unless you have a powerhouse team. Sometimes GM's need to swing for the fences even if it doesn't work out. I'm sure there are plenty of teams that fell short of winning a Cup during their peak periods that would've liked to have gone all in one of those years when they were contenders.

My point mainly was that teams are better off using their best assets in the off season to try and acquire said players.

I look at the blues as the example of getting ROR in the off season from the Sabres. To me, you are far more likely to see a “return on investment” in the off season oppose to the deadline.

few moves are along the lines of a JGP or Stone where you are trading and giving out an “extension.”

I just think teams at the deadline who think they are legit contenders don’t really go big game hunting. They tend to add depth guys, pp/pk (specialist) guys, etc...

e.g. the Caps add Kempny and Jerabek for a third and future fourth rounder.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...ensive-nhl-trade-deadline-day/?outputType=amp

Here is an article that even alludes to the fact that Washington didn’t want to move their first or high end specs at the deadline, so they went an alternate route.

 

[HBK27]

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

I bet they are.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Seems about right, I'm sure they'd like to get more, but it's probably not happening

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

I mean, I don’t expect teams to include their 1st round picks in their opening offers.

I take this as Fitz nodding his head, making a list, and waiting to apply pressure when the time is right.

 

[My3Sons]

With where the Devils are, the prospect may be more important than the pick.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

With where the Devils are, the prospect may be more important than the pick.

I completely agree, they should be looking to add a better prospect than a higher pick, unless they are planning on trading the picks at the draft for established players

 

[My3Sons]

I completely agree, they should be looking to add a better prospect than a higher pick, unless they are planning on trading the picks at the draft for established players

NJ has a bunch of really good bottom six guys blossoming this season all basically 21-23 years old. They have Bratt, Hughes, Hischier and eventually you figure one or more of Foote, Mercer, and/or Holtz materializes. The current young top six guys are all essentially 19-23. A good prospect in the 20-22 year old range makes a lot more sense to me than pick 28. I don't think NJ is best served with a lottery ticket outside the top of the draft if it can get a good prospect. A potential second pair right defender for example would tick off several boxes. I'm sure that the team wants to get the first round pick and a good prospect, but if I had to choose only the first or the first and a meh prospect or the second and a good prospect I'd go with the second and a good prospect. Just an opinion and others will see it differently.