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He's going to Buffalo. Palmieri for Hall. The deal is one for one.
Speculation: Kyle palmieri where’s he going?
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Leaf Fans
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Are joking? If you could gaurentee a Cup, teams would trade multiple first an prospects. It is just that many of the rentals don't get teams nlany nearer to the Cup than they were.
IslandersFan17
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What media reports would those be? If it’s anyone other than Eklund I’d be inclined to believe you, but I haven’t seen anything about that. Especially with how Lou doesn’t leak anything.
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It’s the same old shit every trade deadline, it seems like fans think an addition for a couple of weeks makes them a cup contender.
The more recent success teams had at the deadline didn’t involve them throwing first rounders and top specs around.
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It was posted by someone in the NJ board. It's an offshoot of the Dave Pagnotta report. I'm not sure what to think of it since I agree that Lou will shut down a trade if anything leaks. Pagnotta said something to the effect that Boston was interested in a package of both guys and then some other reports added that the Isles, Leafs, and Panthers were interested as well.
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Tampa threw some firsts around. And prospects.
Agree Foligno would be a great addition. Depends on the price but he would elevate that third line!
IslandersFan17
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One team in the past how many years? Take the last 10 trade deadlines and the numbers will show it’s less likely to see teams using first rounders/high level specs to acquire players for a cup run.
moreover, it can be strongly argued the Lightning was way further ahead than a team like the islanders currently are.
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Yes, you got another Coleman? He wasn't a rental, but if you have another, he would get a first and a prospect.
The cup winner has kept their own 1st round pick four times in the last ten years.
IslandersFan17
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2019- used their first in the off season not at the deadline.
2018- caps didn’t use a first at the deadline
2017/2016- pens didn’t use a first at the deadline
Yes, teams are very unlikely to use first round picks that they don't have.
IslandersFan17
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So, I make the point these teams don’t use first round picks, you chime in and now add that context? Odd approach, because it doesn’t negate what I am saying at all.
They didn't use first round picks? Or they used them a few months earlier? The Caps in 2018 are the only championship team since 2014 to still have their own pick at the subsequent draft.
Plenty of teams in the last 10 years have traded first round picks for rentals. I'm not saying Palmieri is getting a first, but it's wrong to say that hasn't happened recently.
Also feel inevitable that the Soilers bring Hall back, then bow out early again in the playoffs
I can see Palmieri to Boston
I can see Palmieri to Boston
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I never denied that. I simply said the Bruins need a better player. Take nothing away from Palmieri....If we needed a second winger he would be fine. I prefer someone else playing with Krejci....
IslandersFan17
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For rentals at the deadline? Cause I just showed a handful of examples where they weren’t used by cup winners at the deadline
What are you even arguing at this point?
2020 - rental Hall for a 1st round pick ++
2019 - rental Hayes for a 1st round pick +
2018 - rental Stastny for a 1st round pick
2017 - rental Shattenkirk for a 1st round pick +
All these, pure rentals, no trade and signs like Pageau, no players with term like Coleman.
You can say that Palmieri is not worth it, you can say that this year is different because of Covid or the number of sellers vs. number of buyers. But what you absolutely cannot say is that teams in the last 10 years don't spend first round picks on rentals. Yes. They. Do.
For Palmieri? Maybe Geekie and a 2nd as a it's 2:30 on deadline day and no one is biting on a 1st or equivalent prospect type deal and no one offered the right non-rental the other way. Fitzgerald may want to again look at that Calder Cup winning Charlotte team after how well Kuokkanen has worked out thus far. Geekie is a center prospect with intriguing AHL numbers. I don't see a clear path for him next season; a vet 4C that specializes in something be it grit, PK work or faceoff acumen is more logical given Carolina's stage of the competitive cycle. Geekie would have to convert to wing despite the issue of foot speed or he'd be sitting in the pressbox a bunch later in the season (this is last year of waivers exemption) and into the playoffs. He's a logical trade candidate for Carolina and perhaps an attractive piece for a team that wants mature prospects in the lineup asap.
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None of those teams you mentioned won the cup. So, again the argument stands that teams who are winning the cup aren’t using big assets to acquire their help (at the deadline). Outside of the lightning recently who had zero issue throwing their first rounder around because they were clear contenders. No one should be looking for that big key piece at the deadline. Help to put you over the top, sure, but most of the major acquisitions where firsts and big specs are used should be the off season.
I’ve consistently used the phrase cup winners, the context and the topic matter. If you want to weigh in, I welcome it, but at least understand the topics you are trying to argue.
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