Kopitar vs J. Staal

RightKinger

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Yeah that's exactly it, because Kopitar is a King i'm saying it's ridiculous that he's a 'more talented' Joe Thornton. :biglaugh:

and please quit putting so much weight into stats after 2-3 games.. OMG KYLE WELLWOOD IS GOING TO SCORE 160 POINTS!

It pains me to say this to a Ducks fan but......I agree.
 

Chimaera

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and this cant happen to staal?? it looks like sme of you are trying to make a desperate case for staal. and i dont understand why. kopitar has clearly shown that he is the best player and prospect and will be in the future. i picked kopitar #2 in my pool(malkin#1 and thornton#3)

No, you're missing the correlation. Kopitar is already a pretty good player (or looks to be, as you yourself affirmed to agree with, in your crazy selection). Staal is no where near his potential. Kopitar can still improve on the defensive side of the game and with more experience, but what you probably see now might only get more consistent.

That's the difference in this argument. They're in completely different stages of their development.
 

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No, you're missing the correlation. Kopitar is already a pretty good player (or looks to be, as you yourself affirmed to agree with, in your crazy selection). Staal is no where near his potential. Kopitar can still improve on the defensive side of the game and with more experience, but what you probably see now might only get more consistent.

That's the difference in this argument. They're in completely different stages of their development.

Your assessment of Kopitar is that his potential is merely to improve his game only somewhat, and by improving in certain areas?

Give me a break.

I've seen him on the ice back in July 2005 at the King prospect camp and at training camp and preseason last year. He then decided to go back to Sweden and play in the elite league. He knew he had to improve his skating and work hard.

He then had an excellent year in Sweden, followed by a great World Championship.
When I saw him on the ice again this July at rookie camp, his skating was much improved. I saw him do land training of various drills on a roller rink (outside the ice rink where the Kings train) and he finished #1 among all players in stamina testing. It was very impressive.

He is truly a committed, dedicated, hard working, top conditioned athelete, with a tremendous mindset, maturity, work ethic and attitude...I have read every quote, article and interview of the guy and he is a dream player to have in your organization. He is truly a freak of nature at 19 with all of these attributes, in that he is top 5% of all of these attributes. I know you say I am speculating, but I haven't seen anything like him in all the young King players that have come up since 1976. 30 years. Even the other top young Kings through the years do not match Anze in the total package when they were 19. I'm not just talking about talent; Luc was talented, Jimmy Carson (in his rookie year) was talented, Blake was talented, Larry Murphy, Olli Jokinen, etc. I am talking about ALL the attributes combined: talent, hockey sense, charisma, maturity, poise, character, smarts, work ethic, drive, physical maturity, goes to net, plays the corners, defensively sound, etc.

You ain't seen nothing yet. I'm not saying he will ever outscore Crosby or Ovechkin and have as many highlight plays. I am saying that if you think Anze is going to fade or that he is near his potential, you're mistaken.

His roommate is Brian Willsie. Brian told Anze he "has to score 50 goals this year" He is probably going to do his utmost to honor Brian's wish...and believe in himself to do it. Not that he will; he will push himself to. Anze has continuoulsy outdone himself the last 3 years, surprising ALL along the way.

He left a low level Slovenia league 3 seasons ago to play in the Swedish Jr league. They hoped he could fit in and compete...he LED the league in scoring.

He then played in the World Championships at 17 and did great. In the lockout year he played on a team with Scott Thornton and Kyle Calder and they spoke highly of him, praising how good he was at 17. Scouts were baffled about his keen hockey sense. How could he have learned that in Slovenia??

Last year he went back to Sweden and played in the Elitserian and did great, despite being on a horrible team. He worked hard on his game and improved his skating and speed.

Anze then followed the season by being 4th in scoring in the World Championships, again exceeding anyone's expectations. 9 points in 6 games on a team that scored only 13 goals in the entire tournament!

He then came to camp and Dean Lombardi talked and talked about having Anze start in the AHL, not wanting to rush him. Crawford and (ast GM) Hextall also spoke about taking it slow and not rushing him...Anze then goes out and was the best player on the Kings in the pre-season. Everyone again, blown away. Goes head to head with Joe Thornton and does very well against him.

Next, he makes the team (Lombardi deals Belanger to help make room for him) plays his first NHL game and beats Pronger, who helplessly watches him go in on Giguere and holds the puck until Giguere is down and lifts it high in the net. Finishes the game with 2 goals, 7 shots.

He then gets 3 assists the next game. Then 3 shots and an assist the next. 6 points in 3 games, plus 3, 12 shots.

I'm waiting for his next surprise. The last thing it's gonna be, is that he has "reached his potential"
He's not even getting warmed up yet.
 
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touchbelini

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and this cant happen to staal?? it looks like sme of you are trying to make a desperate case for staal. and i dont understand why. kopitar has clearly shown that he is the best player and prospect and will be in the future. i picked kopitar #2 in my pool(malkin#1 and thornton#3)

Wait. Malkin and Kopitar went ahead of Crosby and Ovechkin?
 

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58 points in 70 games in the Q:eek: he should have been picked right after crosby:sarcasm: dont get me wrong here. staal is a good player, im just not very high on him. plus i think he has belove average skating. and skating is very important in the new nhl. i would pick these guys before him just to let you know what a terrible gm i would have been:sarcasm: . EJ, toews, kessel, backstrom, brassard, okposo, mueller, frolik, little. just because pittsburgh picked him at #2 doesnt mean he is the second best player in the draft. its just pittsburghs opinion. if washington had the #2 pick they would still have taken backstrom imo. just beause i have an opinion on one player wouldnt have made me a bad gm. and i'm sure that some of you guys have the top 10 ranked exactly the way they where picked. do you think that will make you a good gm. that you have to now where a player is picked before you pick him.:dunno:. if i where the gm of pittsburgh i would have picked kessel. does that make me a bad gm. is that a wrong choise because he wasn't picked #2. i dont think so.

Uhh... Have you watched Staal this year!! He does it all just like Kopitar. And the Kings have played some poor poor teams. The Penguins have only had 2 games, beat the Flyers 4-0, lost to Detroit 2-0, and did you see what Detroit did to Phoenix tonight. Staal has just missed some great chances, some on the penalty kill. He has a 10' reach!! Let time tell the tale......:teach:
 

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That's why I was wondering why there is a thread comparing Kopitar to Jordan Staal. It's like having a thread comparing Sidney Crosby to Jason Chimera.

That's about the gap between Kopitar and J Staal.

In 2 years I'm never never going to let you hear the end of this. And I won't forget...........
Guess you'll never have a job in the hockey world, do you even skate?
 

Redwingsfan

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Wait. Malkin and Kopitar went ahead of Crosby and Ovechkin?

no no no:biglaugh: everyone could protect three players. and the reason malkin wasn't protected was because you where only allowed to protect one player/prospect under 25 and crosby falls under that category.
 

Redwingsfan

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Uhh... Have you watched Staal this year!! He does it all just like Kopitar. And the Kings have played some poor poor teams. The Penguins have only had 2 games, beat the Flyers 4-0, lost to Detroit 2-0, and did you see what Detroit did to Phoenix tonight. Staal has just missed some great chances, some on the penalty kill. He has a 10' reach!! Let time tell the tale......:teach:

i saw staal in the season opener vs. philly and he didnt impress me. he did ok defensively, but offensively he was invisible. if he had som speed he probably would have scored on that "breakaway". i dont expect him to be anything more then a 60 point pr year second liner, but thats just my opinion. im not going to argue with you on this. let the time tell. we will see in about 10 years what he has done.
 

Luigi Lemieux

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Uhh... Have you watched Staal this year!! He does it all just like Kopitar. And the Kings have played some poor poor teams. The Penguins have only had 2 games, beat the Flyers 4-0, lost to Detroit 2-0, and did you see what Detroit did to Phoenix tonight. Staal has just missed some great chances, some on the penalty kill. He has a 10' reach!! Let time tell the tale......:teach:
don't be a homer. there's no comparison right now.
 

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i saw staal in the season opener vs. philly and he didnt impress me. he did ok defensively, but offensively he was invisible. if he had som speed he probably would have scored on that "breakaway". i dont expect him to be anything more then a 60 point pr year second liner, but thats just my opinion. im not going to argue with you on this. let the time tell. we will see in about 10 years what he has done.

I would be hapy with 60 points from a defensive forward with a good +/-
 

One Winged Angel

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I resubscribed to Center Ice, and there is no way this should even be a thread.

Kopitar is an absolute DYNAMO. He is a one-man wrecking crew, and he's only going to get better. I mean come on now... did you see the way he made Chris Pronger look like a n00b for his first NHL goal?!??!? This guy is something special, and I don't know how he fell as far down as he did in the draft. If it wasn't for Crosby and Jack Johnson, the 3rd player I would have liked to pick if I couldn't get those two was Kopitar. I had him very high on my list.

The Kings are going to be sick one day.
 

Redwingsfan

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I would be hapy with 60 points from a defensive forward with a good +/-

is he even a defensive forward?? and if you would be happy with that then this compairson is pointless. do you think kings fans would be happy with 60 points and a good +/- from kopitar;)
 

Stephen

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Jordan the tools to be as good as Eric and may be the best of the Staals.

Just like Rob Niedermayer had the same tools as Scott, Valeri Bure the same tools as Pavel, Dennis Hull the same as Bobby Hull, Keith Gretzky the same as Wayne, etc.
 

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