Prospect Info: Kaiden Guhle Part 4

[Estimated_Prophet]

I think Guhle’s overall skating ability has really improved since last year’s training camp. His edge work and closing speed are now real strengths and will only get better as he gets stronger. His puck handling is still a bit of an adventure but this kid has really become a core player faster than most, including this writer, could have believed or hoped for. Guhle will quickly transform himself from rookie to team leader if that has not already happened.

Jesus...this again.

You were always dead wrong about Guhle's skating....it is easier to just admit it than to continue building caveats to your original error in judgement. He has always been a great skater which was the main reason he was the #1 pick in the WHL Bantam priority draft. You made the typical error of slotting him in with the archetype of the stereotypical defensive dman and from there you allowed confirmation bias to shape your narrative.

I swear, some of the most opinionated posters on here are the worst judges of skating ability. Sorry for the rant but seriously try and actually learn instead of repeating the same rhetoric ad nauseam.

 

[MilesNewton]

Ghule as on of the worst giveaways in the NHL at the moment. 18 , that's a problem

is it because he is playing first line minutes maybe?

Jesus...this again.

You were always dead wrong about Guhle's skating....it is easier to just admit it than to continue building caveats to your original error in judgement. He has always been a great skater which was the main reason he was the #1 pick in the WHL Bantam priority draft. You made the typical error of slotting him in with the archetype of the stereotypical defensive dman and from there you allowed confirmation bias to shape your narrative.

I swear, some of the most opinionated posters on here are the worst judges of skating ability. Sorry for the rant but seriously try and actually learn instead of repeating the same rhetoric ad nauseam.

I think he is a great smooth skater agree with you.

 

[MilesNewton]

He's fine. The Blues are a heavy, heavy team. There's a reason why we sat Drouin/Pitlick and played Pez.

Tarasenko is a freak and got his licks in on the kid. I don't see too many more games that he gets physically dominated like that in his future.

I do disagree a bit on this, he is still learning and even the best players were physically dominated at some point during their rookie season I am pretty sure it will happen again at some point. Don't burn me at the stake but he will for sure be a future star. Just a small observation

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Jesus...this again.

You were always dead wrong about Guhle's skating....it is easier to just admit it than to continue building caveats to your original error in judgement. He has always been a great skater which was the main reason he was the #1 pick in the WHL Bantam priority draft. You made the typical error of slotting him in with the archetype of the stereotypical defensive dman and from there you allowed confirmation bias to shape your narrative.

I swear, some of the most opinionated posters on here are the worst judges of skating ability. Sorry for the rant but seriously try and actually learn instead of repeating the same rhetoric ad nauseam.

Gee. Such emotion. I wonder what happens when you get upset about something really important in life.

 

[MilesNewton]

Gee. Such emotion. I wonder what happens when you get upset about something really important in life.

Encyclopedia of emotion over a rookie

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Gee. Such emotion. I wonder what happens when you get upset about something really important in life.

There was no excess of emotion in my post......just shining a light on the insects.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

There was no excess of emotion in my post......just shining a light on the insects.

Nothing like a measured response.

 

[Naslundforever]

There was no excess of emotion in my post......just shining a light on the insects.

This is how you sugar coat:

”Ghule could always skate, you have poor judgement and like crusty cat anus”

 

[Saundies]

I do disagree a bit on this, he is still learning and even the best players were physically dominated at some point during their rookie season I am pretty sure it will happen again at some point. Don't burn me at the stake but he will for sure be a future star. Just a small observation

Definitely not burning you. I think you're right in that he has to get physically stronger, most rookies do. But I don't think he's physically out of place right now on the back-end. Any strength will only enhance what he has instead of catching him up is what I'm saying.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Guhle the next Alzner

 

[glxss]

According to Evolving Hockey's model, Guhle has played the toughest minutes of any player in the NHL so far. Guhle is a 20 year old rookie with no prior pro experience, that is INSANE. Savard is right behind him at 2nd.

Top 5 D:
1. Kaiden Guhle
2. David Savard
3. Adam Pelech
4. Cale Makar
5. Adam Larsson

Closest Comparables (over a full season):
- Charlie McAvoy (18-19) [sophomore]
- Drew Doughty (08-09) [rookie]
- Brandon Carlo (16-17) [rookie]
- Victor Hedman (11-12) [third NHL season]
- Moritz Seider (21-22) [rookie]

 

[glxss]

According to Evolving Hockey's model, Guhle has played the toughest minutes of any player in the NHL so far. Guhle is a 20 year old rookie with no prior pro experience, that is INSANE. Savard is right behind him at 2nd.

Top 5 D:
1. Kaiden Guhle
2. David Savard
3. Adam Pelech
4. Cale Makar
5. Adam Larsson

Closest Comparables (over a full season):
- Charlie McAvoy (18-19) [sophomore]
- Drew Doughty (08-09) [rookie]
- Brandon Carlo (16-17) [rookie]
- Victor Hedman (11-12) [third NHL season]
- Moritz Seider (21-22) [rookie]

just to add even more context:

Guhle is pacing to finish 3rd in the modern era (since advanced tracking in 2007-08) among all defensemen:
1. Nick Lidstrom (2010-11)
2. Aaron Ekblad (2018-19)
3. Kaiden Guhle (2022-23)

His closest rookie comparable was Drew Doughty. Drew Doughty ranks 259th on that list.

Now obviously these are not player comparables, but its just adding context to the situation Guhle has been put in. There's really not words to describe it, it is quite literally insane. Props to both St. Louis and Guhle, and David Savard deserves a TON of credit as well, he's been an absolute beast this season.

 

[Ezpz]

According to Evolving Hockey's model, Guhle has played the toughest minutes of any player in the NHL so far. Guhle is a 20 year old rookie with no prior pro experience, that is INSANE. Savard is right behind him at 2nd.

Top 5 D:
1. Kaiden Guhle
2. David Savard
3. Adam Pelech
4. Cale Makar
5. Adam Larsson

Closest Comparables (over a full season):
- Charlie McAvoy (18-19) [sophomore]
- Drew Doughty (08-09) [rookie]
- Brandon Carlo (16-17) [rookie]
- Victor Hedman (11-12) [third NHL season]
- Moritz Seider (21-22) [rookie]

Hopefully we can flip Savard for a fortune in a year or two.

Guhle's been impressive. I don't think we've had a dman play all three years of his ELC with the big club in a while.

 

[The Great Weal]

What a stud. Guy got thrown into the fire this season and is on pace for 40 points.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

 

[badfish]

Bieksa said in the post-game that MTL could have their #1D of the future in Guhle. Great accolades from one of my favourite analysts. What an impact that would be to the rebuild.

 

[Mrb1p]

f*** hes good

 

[Belial]

f*** hes good

first time I see such emotions out of you))

 

[the valiant effort]

He’s in the same vein as Suzuki: only awful luck stands between him and immortality

 

[BaseballCoach]

What a stud. Guy got thrown into the fire this season and is on pace for 40 points.

Without PP time.

 

[Hannibal]

And we haven’t seen his physical side yet.

 

[Skip Bayless]

He's so good.

 

[waitin425]

 

[FrankMTL]

There was a lot of discussion regarding Kaiden Guhle and Braden Schneider (Some posters preferred Schneider) as they we're both drafted in 2020 (Guhle 16th and Schneider 19th) and both seen as somewhat similar players. Schneider has been great and even though he was in the NHL last season, I have doubts about his offence ever developing. Guhle's development has been massive and his offence has really come along to the point where I'm thinking this guy might even be able to run a power play one day.

 

[Gustave]

Guhle the next Alzner

Another L for the analytics. They can join Dom and his crew.

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