Injury Report: Jonas Brodin (Injured Paw)

[Wabit]

Dude has terrible luck. In 6 seasons only 1 has been healthy, and he still missed 3 games that year, though I don't remember why. Might have been a very minor injury? Wouldn't surprise me.

Spurgeon is the same way. Conspiracy theory: they get injured to remind the team how much they are needed.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Spurgeon is the same way. Conspiracy theory: they get injured to remind the team how much they are needed.

I seem to recall the Wild playing well the last time Brodin was injured, but they also had Marco Scandella playing third pairing then with Dumba.

 

[57special]

This team can't be so fragile that having one #2/3 Dman gone for 3-4 weeks causes them to lose a bunch of games. Suter and Spurgeon are better Dmen than some teams have on their entire D group.

Reilly, Olofsson, and if they can't do it, maybe someone from Iowa is going to have to show up. It's about time that Dumba matured, also. He, and to a lesser extent, Prosser has to lead that bottom 4.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Dumba has been the #3 almost all year. Not sure what you are on about that he needs to mature.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

I seem to recall the Wild playing well the last time Brodin was injured, but they also had Marco Scandella playing third pairing then with Dumba.

I think they played well except their PK % dropped to like 75% without him, ~85% with him.

 

[Bazeek]

Dumba has been the #3 almost all year. Not sure what you are on about that he needs to mature.

I'm not sure I see a definite gap between the two right now. They're both good second-pairing defensemen, but I dunno that I could draw an obvious line between "#3" and "#4." Maybe that's just me.

Anyway, I agree that losing a second pairing defenseman for 10 games should not put our season in jeopardy. We absorbed the loss of Spurgeon pretty cleanly. Younger guys are just going to have to step up, and I think they will.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I think they played well except their PK % dropped to like 75% without him, ~85% with him.

Yeah... that’s basically what I figured though they don’t use d pairings on the PK like they did then. I believe they sent out Suter-Spurgeon and Brodin-Dumba/Prosser for the PK this year. Just slide one of those two over and hope for the best.

I'm not sure I see a definite gap between the two right now. They're both good second-pairing defensemen, but I dunno that I could draw an obvious line between "#3" and "#4." Maybe that's just me.

Anyway, I agree that losing a second pairing defenseman for 10 games should not put our season in jeopardy. We absorbed the loss of Spurgeon pretty cleanly. Younger guys are just going to have to step up, and I think they will.

I’d say both fall into the category of a #3. Just annoyed with the talking down of Dumba who has more than held his own as a top 4 dman.

 

[Bazeek]

I’d say both fall into the category of a #3. Just annoyed with the talking down of Dumba who has more than held his own as a top 4 dman.

That I'll agree with. Dumba's great.

 

[Wabit]

Maybe I rate my d-man numbers differently than others, but I see the odd numbers as the one's that do the heavy lifting (carry the pair) and the even numbers as more complimentary players. Suter/Brodin are odd numbers, and Spurgeon/Dumba are even numbers. Before you jump all over the Spurgeon part here's my reasoning.

If you cloned each of them and put them on a pair together how would they look?
-Suter/Suter and Brodin/Brodin would be strong pairs in the d-zone, and a little weak in the o-zone.
Dumba/Dumba and Spurgeon/Spurgeon would be strong o-zone pairs, but be weak in the d-zone. Spurgeon is a very good defender, but he just bounces off the big net-front FWDs and that leaves the goalie screened. I've noticed it a lot on the PK this season. Dumba has improved in the d-zone, but he still makes a lot of mistakes.

If you had to pair Reilly with any of the top-4 it would be in order: Suter, Brodin, Spurgeon, Dumba. I don't want to see Reilly anywhere near top-pair ToI, just saying Suter/Reilly would be the most effective pairing. Olofsson I don't have qualms about pairing with anyone on the flip side.

It's just how I see things.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Maybe I rate my d-man numbers differently than others, but I see the odd numbers as the one's that do the heavy lifting (carry the pair) and the even numbers as more complimentary players. Suter/Brodin are odd numbers, and Spurgeon/Dumba are even numbers. Before you jump all over the Spurgeon part here's my reasoning.

If you cloned each of them and put them on a pair together how would they look?
-Suter/Suter and Brodin/Brodin would be strong pairs in the d-zone, and a little weak in the o-zone.
Dumba/Dumba and Spurgeon/Spurgeon would be strong o-zone pairs, but be weak in the d-zone. Spurgeon is a very good defender, but he just bounces off the big net-front FWDs and that leaves the goalie screened. I've noticed it a lot on the PK this season. Dumba has improved in the d-zone, but he still makes a lot of mistakes.

If you had to pair Reilly with any of the top-4 it would be in order: Suter, Brodin, Spurgeon, Dumba. I don't want to see Reilly anywhere near top-pair ToI, just saying Suter/Reilly would be the most effective pairing. Olofsson I don't have qualms about pairing with anyone on the flip side.

It's just how I see things.

Spurgeon-Spurgeon pairing would pretty easily in my opinion be the best overall D pairing, and would not be weak in the D zone.

 

[57special]

Dumba has been the #3 almost all year. Not sure what you are on about that he needs to mature.

He still makes unnecessarily odd decisions in his own end. He overthinks, causing delay, causing all sorts of problems. It's odd, because he is so instinctive in the Ozone and neutral zone. No hesitation, just does it. If he could do that in the D zone he'd be great.

You seem to keep thinking that I am against Dumba, when in fact I was one of his earliest supporters. The thing is, he keeps making mistakes, IMO, that prevent him from being a solid all round dman, and keep him in the Shattenkirk/Barrie category. I want him to be the next Guy Lapointe. He's got all the tools.

I am demanding, but as a guy who played nothing but defence all my life, I have a pretty firm idea of what I like to see in one. I am not going to let Dumba off the hook just because he scores goals.

 

[57special]

Maybe I rate my d-man numbers differently than others, but I see the odd numbers as the one's that do the heavy lifting (carry the pair) and the even numbers as more complimentary players. Suter/Brodin are odd numbers, and Spurgeon/Dumba are even numbers. Before you jump all over the Spurgeon part here's my reasoning.

If you cloned each of them and put them on a pair together how would they look?
-Suter/Suter and Brodin/Brodin would be strong pairs in the d-zone, and a little weak in the o-zone.
Dumba/Dumba and Spurgeon/Spurgeon would be strong o-zone pairs, but be weak in the d-zone. Spurgeon is a very good defender, but he just bounces off the big net-front FWDs and that leaves the goalie screened. I've noticed it a lot on the PK this season. Dumba has improved in the d-zone, but he still makes a lot of mistakes.

If you had to pair Reilly with any of the top-4 it would be in order: Suter, Brodin, Spurgeon, Dumba. I don't want to see Reilly anywhere near top-pair ToI, just saying Suter/Reilly would be the most effective pairing. Olofsson I don't have qualms about pairing with anyone on the flip side.

It's just how I see things.

How the hell would you consider a Suter/Suter paring to be weak in the O zone?

NVM for the moment that he would refuse to play with himself because of handedness.

 

[Bazeek]

NVM for the moment that he would refuse to play with himself because of handedness.

Removing the context for my own amusement.

 

[57special]

You had to go there...

 

[Uberdachen]

Should improve his wrister at least.

 

[57special]

 

[Wabit]

How the hell would you consider a Suter/Suter paring to be weak in the O zone?

NVM for the moment that he would refuse to play with himself because of handedness.

Well his career highs for even strength are: 5g, 25a, 28p. Those just aren't impressive to me.

 

[Goose312]

How the hell would you consider a Suter/Suter paring to be weak in the O zone?

NVM for the moment that he would refuse to play with himself because of handedness.

Funny you mention it, listening to the latest Russo podcast today he discussed the whole "Suter runs the team" thing and was critical of the amount of pull the fans think Suter actually has in how the team is run. Also he thinks it's completely justified for Suter to want to play with Spurgeon as the best thing for the team because of how good they are together.



Discusses it around 33:40 mark if you want to give it a listen.

 

[Digitalbooya]

He still makes unnecessarily odd decisions in his own end. He overthinks, causing delay, causing all sorts of problems. It's odd, because he is so instinctive in the Ozone and neutral zone. No hesitation, just does it. If he could do that in the D zone he'd be great.

You seem to keep thinking that I am against Dumba, when in fact I was one of his earliest supporters. The thing is, he keeps making mistakes, IMO, that prevent him from being a solid all round dman, and keep him in the Shattenkirk/Barrie category. I want him to be the next Guy Lapointe. He's got all the tools.

I am demanding, but as a guy who played nothing but defence all my life, I have a pretty firm idea of what I like to see in one. I am not going to let Dumba off the hook just because he scores goals.

I just remember back to the times where it was the season after Brodin scored 7 points and the general consensus was Brodin sucks in the o-zone despite him putting up 20+ points. I feel it's the same with Dumba and the d-zone. He's come a long ways in that department and while improving his defense he has also managed to improve his offensive output. Which, by the way, was already top 30 for defenders in the NHL. Now he's playing PK almost 2 minutes a game and hasn't looked out of place. This was a guy who a lot of people thought would be a power play specialist. 5-on-5 has been his bread and butter this year.

I just think it sounds like you expect him to be perfect in all areas. Everyone on defense has their deficiencies.

NVM for the moment that he would refuse to play with himself because of handedness.

This might be the funniest thing I've read on these boards in a long time

 

[57special]

Well his career highs for even strength are: 5g, 25a, 28p. Those just aren't impressive to me.

Really? So you just discount PP's all of a sudden? Bottom line is that Suter is by far the best point getter on our D. Not even close.

 

[Wabit]

Really? So you just discount PP's all of a sudden? Bottom line is that Suter is by far the best point getter on our D. Not even close.

Well he does play on the PP 80bazillion minutes. PP GF/60 last year Brodin, Dumba, and Spurgeon were ahead of him; the year before Spurgeon was ahead of him, and this year Spurgeon is ahead of him.

I like the PP better without Suter, it moves faster and flows better imo.

 

[W75]

f***. I already miss Brodin so much.

 

[57special]

Could it be Loov I'm Feeling?

 

[Digitalbooya]

What's the timetable for his return? 1-2 weeks?

 

[tomgilbertfan]