Jimmy Vesey discussion continues ...

[Mess]

Correct no one could talk to him, but no one can offer anything more than a max entry level contract.

Even Lou said it, 15 minutes to do an entry level contract.

No one is going to offer him less than max so all 30 teams could have an offer to him the moment the bidding opens, and all of them could be identical.

Of course he's only 23, so maybe he doesn't know about geography, or where Winnipeg is on the map so he'd have to spend 15 seconds on Google Maps to figure that out?

Not only that his agent would already know what is up.

Leafs odds improving with each passing day.

Since he refused to sign with Nashville the team that drafted him and refused to sign with Buffalo the team that traded for him, claiming he has decided to become a UFA, we can rule those to logically out via process of elimination.

So 2 down and 28 teams to go = Leafs odds (1/28) = 3.6%
(Leafs had better odds of winning the draft lottery 20% to get Matthews then they have of winning the Vesey lottery)

PS. Unless he wants to sit out another year in order to sign and play in Vegas and then he might take Matthews roster spot on his former Swiss team until Vegas has ELC contract stationary printed with their letterhead and allowed to sign players. :wg

 

[Bullseye]

Tuesday is the 1st day he is a UFA. One more day to find out where he goes.

 

[ULF_55]

I've seen him sub-20 on one list, can't recall which though.

And yeah, you are probably right about how things looked before the draft. I just think it would be disingenuous to not include the newly drafted players at this point.

Wonder where Panarin was ranked on the prospects list prior to 2015-2016 season?

Would you take Panarin over the best 30 players under the age of 23, including McDavid, Eichel, Marner, Nylander, Draisaitl, Strome, Larkin, Pastrnak, Ekblad, Bennett, Ehlers, Hanifin, McKinnon, Barkov, Lindholm, Rielly, Monahan, Jones, ... fill in the rest.

He won ROTY, but he was 23 years old doing it, older than players selected in the 2012 entry draft.

His draft year was 2011, same as Seguin and Hall's.

IMO, where Vesey ranks compared to players 3-4-5 years younger is something, not sure how valuable though? Where is his ceiling should be the question, and how does that compare to every other player his age and younger?

 

[SprDaVE]

If the Leafs do sign him, they will need to really trim the roster and cap space.

 

[Orfieus]

other then his dad is working for us is there any other reason why Vesey would want to sign with the Leafs over every other organization?

 

[saltming]

other then his dad is working for us is there any other reason why Vesey would want to sign with the Leafs over every other organization?

The opportunity to be an integral part of a up and coming team. To pave his own path and be seen as a foundational piece that built a contending team vs a throw in riding the coat tails of already established players.

 

[Jack Bauer]

other then his dad is working for us is there any other reason why Vesey would want to sign with the Leafs over every other organization?

Come along at the same time as a huge amoung of youth to become a part of a winning culture of an original 6 team in the leagues biggest market as they enter a turn around phase that could bring huge amounts of fame and fortune to those a part of turning the team into a contender.

When the money is the same, you start looking at other factors.

I think he signs with a Chicago to try and win right away. But if that's not his mindset then we could be at the top of his list.

Who knows.

 

[SprDaVE]

other then his dad is working for us is there any other reason why Vesey would want to sign with the Leafs over every other organization?

A long-term coaching staff and training facilities. Someone like Nikita Zaitsev had a lot of offers but chose us for those reasons.

We offer the same thing as most other teams. The only difference between us and some of the other teams is a winning atmosphere right away, which isn't always the top thing for a player like Vesey.

There's a reason we are a contender to sign him and I refuse to believe his father being employed by us is the only thing that matters.

 

[saltming]

A long-term coaching staff and training facilities. Someone like Nikita Zaitsev had a lot of offers but chose us for those reasons.

We offer the same thing as most other teams. The only difference between us and some of the other teams is a winning atmosphere right away, which isn't always the top thing for a players like Vesey.

There's a reason we are a contender to sign him and I refuse to believe his father being employed by us is the only thing that matters.

Yup. Lots of players have said that the idea of being coached by Babcock is very attractive by itself. Add in the other factors and there is a plethora of reasons to want to play here now.
Man I never thought I would ever get to say that in my lifetime.

 

[Territory]

Tuesday is the 1st day he is a UFA. One more day to find out where he goes.

He's a UFA tomorrow but it's been reported he'll likely wait until thurs/fri or even the weekend since he will be visiting teams this week.

 

[embracedbias]

Leafs odds improving with each passing day.

Since he refused to sign with Nashville the team that drafted him and refused to sign with Buffalo the team that traded for him, claiming he has decided to become a UFA, we can rule those to logically out via process of elimination.

So 2 down and 28 teams to go = Leafs odds (1/28) = 3.6%
(Leafs had better odds of winning the draft lottery 20% to get Matthews then they have of winning the Vesey lottery)

PS. Unless he wants to sit out another year in order to sign and play in Vegas and then he might take Matthews roster spot on his former Swiss team until Vegas has ELC contract stationary printed with their letterhead and allowed to sign players. :wg

That's some stellar probabilistic reasoning. Would almost make sense if Vesey was picking the team out of a hat.

 

[Lethalsniper007]

other then his dad is working for us is there any other reason why Vesey would want to sign with the Leafs over every other organization?

Hid brother got drafted by the leafs.Nolan vesey drafted 6th round

 

[Duke Silver]

If Nolan had a shot at making the NHL, I think the chances of Jimmy coming here would be higher. But I don't see it happening for Nolan, so there's no allure of Jimmy playing with his brother at any point.

Family ties aside, Leafs have a world class coach, an up-and-coming team (some may say with potential to become a dynasty), and a great hockey city. Those would be the selling points.

 

[Magic Man]

- He wants to be in the north east. They're in the north east. He'll be close to home a lot of the time.

- They can guarantee him a top-9 LW spot long-term along side strong line mates.

- They've given his father a job as a scout. They've drafted his brother. I'm sure they would be willing to extend Nolan an ELC with little consideration for his development if he ended up signing.

- Excellent hockey city, training facilities and the farm team is in the same city if he happens to stumble.

- One of the strongest management, coaching and prospect pools in the league. Success will arrive soon.

- The team has young faces of the franchise already and they're coming in at the same time, so he wouldn't need to come in and face an enormous amount of pressure to be that missing piece that changes a team's fortune like he'd be viewed going to declining teams like his home town Bruins or the Rangers. He'd be one of many good young pieces.

 

[MapleLeafs9]

Where are the people on the main board reading/hearing that Toronto is out from Vesey?

 

[Mad Brills*]

bozak 2.0

 

[saltming]

Where are the people on the main board reading/hearing that Toronto is out from Vesey?

Probably from Donald Trump haha.

 

[Razorwing]

Probably from Donald Trump haha.

So Boston and Buffalo are out?

 

[mikeyz]

bozak 2.0

Not even close.

Vesey played in college because he didn't want to play for Nashville.

 

[johnny_rudeboy]

Being Bozak 2.0 is not a bad thing.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Bozak in two years at Denver: 0.95 PPG
Vesey in his last two years at Harvard: 1.49 PPG ... 1.13 PPG in total for all four years at Harvard

Bozak is a centre that plays more of a finesse game .. Vesey, by all accounts, is a winger with power forward attributes.

Really nothing comparable asides from them played US College hockey

 

[ShaneFalco]

So Boston and Buffalo are out?

Buffalo are pretty much out of anything from the get-go aren't they ?

 

[Menzinger]

Versey is slated to become a much better player than Bozak, at least has the potential to be. But even if he turns into Bozak, that's still good value for a free (and low salary) signing

 

[X66]

Bozak in two years at Denver: 0.95 PPG
Vesey in his last two years at Harvard: 1.49 PPG ... 1.13 PPG in total for all four years at Harvard

Bozak is a centre that plays more of a finesse game .. Vesey, by all accounts, is a winger with power forward attributes.

Really nothing comparable asides from them played US College hockey

Well, they also both have the same amount of letters in both their first and last names.

 

[Razorwing]

Buffalo are pretty much out of anything from the get-go aren't they ?