Confirmed with Link: Jets sign Hellebuyck to 1 year $2.25M contract

[Robinson2187]

How much does winning the Vezina boost his value? He really should win it. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't though.

 

[truck]

How much does winning the Vezina boost his value? He really should win it. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't though.

No. He shouldn't win it. He should be nominated though.

 

[White Out 902]

I mean, this is the Helley thread but, if we can sign Enstrom to 1.5 million for 1 or 2 years why wouldn't we? It's not like cap space counts when a player is injured.

 

[Robinson2187]

No. He shouldn't win it. He should be nominated though.

Why do you think he shouldn't win it?

 

[Jets 31]

After all the years of goaltending being our weak link , i think Chevy signs Helly to a pretty big contract . Also what is Helly worth if we somehow , someway , win the Cup ? I think the contract talks will start at 5 million a year .

 

[truck]

Why do you think he shouldn't win it?

Because he isn't leading in any statistical categories apart from wins (he's tied) and wins are a team stat.

 

[Peggy]

After all the years of goaltending being our weak link , i think Chevy signs Helly to a pretty big contract . Also what is Helly worth if we somehow , someway , win the Cup ? I think the contract talks will start at 5 million a year .

id go with 5 million and nothing higher
goalies are so streaky they shouldn't be getting paid any higher under a salary cap
one year they vezina style. the next year they're average at best

pretty ridiculous Montreal gave Carey price 10 million

id love for everyone to get paid, but who works under a salary cap
and last time i checked a dynasty is the ultimate goal
and you'll never get there giving everyone max pay

if a player wants more money start promoting themselves more

 

[White Out 902]

Let's put this thread on ignore until the summer. Let's enjoy the playoffs cap-worry free.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

I mean, this is the Helley thread but, if we can sign Enstrom to 1.5 million for 1 or 2 years why wouldn't we? It's not like cap space counts when a player is injured.

Actually it does. And Enstrom in fact not even one of our more injury prone D. He averages more games per year than both Trouba and Myers over their respective careers.

 

[White Out 902]

Actually it does. And Enstrom in fact not even one of our more injury prone D. He averages more games per year than both Trouba and Myers over their respective careers.

Wait what? When a player is on IR does their space not get free?

 

[mcpw]

Wait what? When a player is on IR does their space not get free?

nope. IR really only helps with the roster limit of 23 active players.

 

[White Out 902]

ah yes there is cap relief if you are up against the cap, its complicated but there is cap relief.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Wait what? When a player is on IR does their space not get free?

No. Whether on IR or LTIR the cap space of injured players still counts against the cap. On LTIR if a team is approaching the cap the team may exceed the cap with replacement player by the amount that the player puts them over. However on regular IR no such forgiveness is given.

 

[mcpw]

ah yes there is cap relief if you are up against the cap, its complicated but there is cap relief.

that's LTIR exception. That can only be used if a player is out for at least 24 days and 10 games. It's also technically not relief, but extra space as Holden pointed out. And it really doesn't mash well with ELC bonuses.

 

[Jack722]

Actually it does. And Enstrom in fact not even one of our more injury prone D. He averages more games per year than both Trouba and Myers over their respective careers.

Not surprising since Myers missed an entire year. But for Trouba this is counting the holdout, right?

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Not surprising since Myers missed an entire year. But for Trouba this is counting the holdout, right?

Nope. Even ignoring that over his career Enstrom has a higher games per year than Trouba. Over the past five years Trouba has a slightly higher games per year but not by that much.

 

[Gm0ney]

Hellebuyck had a great year, but he doesn't beat Rinne for the Vezina. He's 3rd in SV%, 2nd in GAA, T-1 in Winz (but he's 2nd to Rinne in wins per start, 3rd in wins per appearance). The Jets were statistically a more defensive team than the Preds too - so Rinne arguably had the tougher assignment.

 

[Robinson2187]

Because he isn't leading in any statistical categories apart from wins (he's tied) and wins are a team stat.

It's a team game so every stat is influenced by the team. He's also leading in games played which has him miles ahead of everyone in SA and SV. 2 more wins than Rinne and a better S% and GAA than Vasilevsky.

 

[Fastfrde]

Anybody else, while watching the Pitts/Philly highlights, have flashbacks to last summer when we were considering Elliot as a replacement for Helle? Sometimes the Hockey Gods are good! (And Chevy and of course, Helle!)

 

[Aggie204]

Anybody else, while watching the Pitts/Philly highlights, have flashbacks to last summer when we were considering Elliot as a replacement for Helle? Sometimes the Hockey Gods are good! (And Chevy and of course, Helle!)

And some people wanted Darling (including me)
Crow is delicious with BBQ by the way.....

 

[FonRiesen]

Hellebuyck had a great year, but he doesn't beat Rinne for the Vezina. He's 3rd in SV%, 2nd in GAA, T-1 in Winz (but he's 2nd to Rinne in wins per start, 3rd in wins per appearance). The Jets were statistically a more defensive team than the Preds too - so Rinne arguably had the tougher assignment.

The most important stat in the W/L/OT category is L according to Maurice. Goalies have even less control in OT than the team as a whole does. Helle has a significantly better L/GP ratio than the other leaders. I haven't seen any place where they track regulation-only wins, which I think he also leads the league in (can anyone confirm??). The save percentage is awfully close for the top 3. QS% gives a big edge to Rinne.

A new (to me) stat I came across on hockey reference is GPS - it looks like Helle has a healthy lead in that category as well. Not sure what all goes into it, but it's supposed to track a goalie's share in the points he contributed to his team. Maybe that's the argument for MVP. I'd love to hear @garret9 comment on this.

Of course since it's not a specific stat award like the Rocket, it's hard to know what the voting will be like. How much is influenced by the playoffs?

 

[garret9]

Win is when GF > GA... goalies impact is (almost exclusively) GA.

GAA measures that GA... goalies impact is (almost exclusively) how many shots they stop relative to how many they receive... in fact GAA is simply shots against per hour multiplied by 1-Sv%.

Sv% is a goalies main impact into wins... now that said, defensive play ALSO impacts save percentage as well... as does randomness of natural variance due to the small sample of goals... the latter is a huge confounding variable in goaltending evaluation...

All other stats are merely manipulations of these three stats or different ways at looking at how a goalie performed in these three. That said, generally Sv%>GAA>record, as while save percentage has confounding variables that is not a goalie's performance, those exist in the other stats as well PLUS other confounding variables...