Post-Game Talk: Jets bagel VGK win 4-0

[Adam da bomb]

I would as well but that seems like wishful thinking with this org.

Switch Ehlers and Wheeler in the lineup and it would work.

We should mostly have 3 scoring lines with perfetti and Ehlers giving us 8 top 6 players. Svech, Dubois, schief, Ehlers, stas, Perfetti, Connor, wheeler. Apple being a hard forechecked can give us a top 9 with Lowry, toninanto and Gus/harkins on our 4th line.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Exactly, you need to put Cole with some skilled players (ideally one of them a pure finisher). Maybe you use Cole at 3C. Chevy did mention him as a center the other day.

If we circle back to DeBrusk:

Conner Dubois Svech
Stastny Scheifele Wheeler
Debrusk Perfetti Ehlers
Xxxx Lowey Appelton

That looks pretty good. Sanford might be that 4LW. But I don't know where we would find the cap space for DeBrusk. Harkins has shown that he can play well with skilled linemates and he won't cost near as much as DeBrusk and 0 acquisition cost.

With both Stastny and Wheeler deteriorating a little more next year, that 2nd line is pretty weak.

 

[gojetsgo]

That looks pretty good. Sanford might be that 4LW. But I don't know where we would find the cap space for DeBrusk. Harkins has shown that he can play well with skilled linemates and he won't cost near as much as DeBrusk and 0 acquisition cost.

With both Stastny and Wheeler deteriorating a little more next year, that 2nd line is pretty weak.

harkins has 19 points in 118 and is 24 years old, he's had plenty of chances to prove he's a capable nhler and he hasn't, 1 good game in months doesn't change that

 

[WolfHouse]

Exactly, you need to put Cole with some skilled players (ideally one of them a pure finisher). Maybe you use Cole at 3C. Chevy did mention him as a center the other day.

If we circle back to DeBrusk:

Conner Dubois Svech
Stastny Scheifele Wheeler
Debrusk Perfetti Ehlers
Xxxx Lowey Appelton

That third line is pretty small and Ehlers needs to be top six
Connor-Doob-Svech
Ehlers-Scheif-Wheeler
Harkins-Stas-Perfetti
Sanford-Lowry-Apples
Gus

In a perfect world, I would swap Apples and Wheeler - let Wheels be a PP specialist and actually run four lines

 

[WolfHouse]

harkins has 19 points in 118 and is 24 years old, he's had plenty of chances to prove he's a capable nhler and he hasn't, 1 good game in months doesn't change that

So the same way Svech was written off by Detroit and suddenly fits when he gets real icetime?

 

[gojetsgo]

So the same way Svech was written off by Detroit and suddenly fits when he gets real icetime?

he was hardly played in detriot, was healthy scratched often, still has played less games than harkins despite being older
svech played 41 games with detriot spread out thru 4 seasons playing down in the lineup and had 12 points in those games
harkins has played 118 games over the last 3 seasons and has gotten plenty of 3rd line mins and only has 19 points..

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[Adam da bomb]

he was hardly played in detriot, was healthy scratched often, still has played less games than harkins despite being older
svech played 41 games with detriot spread out thru 4 seasons playing down in the lineup and had 12 points in those games
harkins has played 118 games over the last 3 seasons and has gotten plenty of 3rd line mins and only has 19 points..

I think it's easier to just say if someone can beat Harkins out for the spot than they can replace him then but until that happens Harkins is a fine place holder. I have seen more out of Harkins than Ves.
I wonder how many goals Toninato has over his seasons. Pognaski has not looked better than Harkins. I'd rather Harkins than Brooks but would rather see Gus in then Harkins but Gus isn't healthy. It's hard to just blanketedly write someone off. If Harkins starts producing more before we can get a replacement that's fine too.

 

[gojetsgo]

I think it's easier to just say if someone can beat Harkins out for the spot than they can replace him then but until that happens Harkins is a fine place holder. I have seen more out of Harkins than Ves.

we haven't seen enough out of either though, it's 1 of the reasons we are not in a playoff spot, our bottom six scoring is non existent

 

[Adam da bomb]

we haven't seen enough out of either though, it's 1 of the reasons we are not in a playoff spot, our bottom six scoring is non existent

No but I am just making the case we can see more of them till they get replaced.

 

[gojetsgo]

No but I am just making the case we can see more of them till they get replaced.

this whole conversation started because someone said we shouldn't get debrusk because we have harkins...

 

[Jets 31]

I wonder why no coaches ? Wheeler said beat it, i can do a better job.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

I wonder why no coaches ? Wheeler said beat it, i can do a better job.

In all seriousness, I think Wheeler is trying to set up a gig for when he retires. I'm thinking he's looking at some kind of coaching or NHL front office work.

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[Jets 31]

In all seriousness, I think Wheeler is trying to set up a gig for when he retires. I'm thinking he's looking at some kind of coaching or NHL front office work.

Ah , that's why Chevy didn't hire a new coach, he's waiting for Wheeler.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

Ah , that's why Chevy didn't hire a new coach, he's waiting for Wheeler.

 

[WolfHouse]

this whole conversation started because someone said we shouldn't get debrusk because we have harkins...

If you're implying that I said that, you're on a real delusional role today... maybe just let me make my own comments instead of 'helping'.

I'd never say no to DeBrusk but he's playing on the top line heading into the playoffs - if he's still tradebait in the summer, then we can revisit that topic. Right now, he's not a Jet.

Either way, I don't see a space for him - or actually Harkins - in our top six. Apples yes - and he hasn't scored much this year either so let's write him off too.

 

[gojetsgo]

If you're implying that I said that, you're on a real delusional role today... maybe just let me make my own comments instead of 'helping'.

I'd never say no to DeBrusk but he's playing on the top line heading into the playoffs - if he's still tradebait in the summer, then we can revisit that topic. Right now, he's not a Jet.

Either way, I don't see a space for him - or actually Harkins - in our top six. Apples yes - and he hasn't scored much this year either so let's write him off too.

rofl, look at who I quoted... maybe try reading before calling people delusional... and appleton has scored at a decent bottom six rate in his career..

calling me delusional when you are trying to create a conspiracy theory that lowry changed systems then reverted back to the old ones because wheeler came back...

post I quoted if you are having trouble finding it: "That looks pretty good. Sanford might be that 4LW. But I don't know where we would find the cap space for DeBrusk. Harkins has shown that he can play well with skilled linemates and he won't cost near as much as DeBrusk and 0 acquisition cost.

With both Stastny and Wheeler deteriorating a little more next year, that 2nd line is pretty weak."

 

[WolfHouse]

rofl, look at who I quoted... maybe try reading before calling people delusional... and appleton has scored at a decent bottom six rate in his career..

calling me delusional when you are trying to create a conspiracy theory that lowry changed systems then reverted back to the old ones because wheeler came back...

post I quoted if you are having trouble finding it: "That looks pretty good. Sanford might be that 4LW. But I don't know where we would find the cap space for DeBrusk. Harkins has shown that he can play well with skilled linemates and he won't cost near as much as DeBrusk and 0 acquisition cost.

With both Stastny and Wheeler deteriorating a little more next year, that 2nd line is pretty weak."

Ah you're right - that definitely was not me haha.

But I mean hey you're particularly argumentative today... so easy mistake.

To be fair, Harkins has produced more than Ves and shown more effort - I'd give the guy a shot on the third, he's producing at the same rate Copp did when he was getting 8 mins a game... maybe let him try average 12-13 before writing him off.

 

[gojetsgo]

Ah you're right - that definitely was not me haha.

But I mean hey you're particularly argumentative today... so easy mistake.

To be fair, Harkins has produced more than Ves and shown more effort - I'd give the guy a shot on the third, he's producing at the same rate Copp did when he was getting 8 mins a game... maybe let him try average 12-13 before writing him off.

Idk why people keep saying harkin's is doing better than ves like it's so sort of positive.. neither should be in the lineup and copp put up those numbers when he was 20/21/22 by the time he was harkins age he was getting around 30 points..

 

[Adam da bomb]

Idk why people keep saying harkin's is doing better than ves like it's so sort of positive.. neither should be in the lineup and copp put up those numbers when he was 20/21/22 by the time he was harkins age he was getting around 30 points..

What are Sanford's numbers? Also, how do we afford debrusk if he wants 5 million to play on the 3rd line. There is definitely room for improvement in our bottom 6 but it all has to fit under a budget. Harkins has also been better than Brooks, and a few others that we have brought in for our bottom 6. I also want more goals out of Harkins but not all bottom 6 players need to score well. Toninato doesn't put up that many points but he is a great shut down player.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Idk why people keep saying harkin's is doing better than ves like it's so sort of positive.. neither should be in the lineup and copp put up those numbers when he was 20/21/22 by the time he was harkins age he was getting around 30 points..

What are Sanford's numbers? Also, how do we afford debrusk if he wants 5 million to play on the 3rd line. There is definitely room for improvement in our bottom 6 but it all has to fit under a budget. Harkins has also been better than Brooks, and a few others that we have brought in for our bottom 6. I also want more goals out of Harkins but not all bottom 6 players need to score well. Toninato doesn't put up that many points but he is a great shut down player. There is also an argument that can be made that development is not linear. So a player may just be a slow developer. Not saying he is, but, age as the ultimate argument against a player seems weird.

 

[WolfHouse]

Idk why people keep saying harkin's is doing better than ves like it's so sort of positive.. neither should be in the lineup and copp put up those numbers when he was 20/21/22 by the time he was harkins age he was getting around 30 points..

Im not worried about age - Appleton was meh playing 8-10 mins a game and then last season he gets in a groove at 14-15 mins and scores

Harkins reminds me of Copp - he hustles and does whatever we ask him to - Ves is coasting out there and lost

I would give Harkins and Svech a real shot without a short leash that's all - same way that I would have given Copp a chance to show he could be a 2C instead of Eakins...

 

[gojetsgo]

What are Sanford's numbers? Also, how do we afford debrusk if he wants 5 million to play on the 3rd line. There is definitely room for improvement in our bottom 6 but it all has to fit under a budget. Harkins has also been better than Brooks, and a few others that we have brought in for our bottom 6. I also want more goals out of Harkins but not all bottom 6 players need to score well. Toninato doesn't put up that many points but he is a great shut down player.

debrusk gets paid 4 million for the next two years, trade dillon and you get the money needed, why do you keep brining up bad bottom six players that all shouldn't be in the lineup? sanford has nearly tied harkins career points this season in half the games it took harkins

surixon posted this lineup:
Conner Dubois Svech
Stastny Scheifele Wheeler
Debrusk Perfetti Ehlers
Xxxx Lowry Appelton


mort posted that harkins should replace debrusk... that's where this conversation started, so Idk why you keep bringing up worse players then harkins when none of them were in the lineup posted anyways, people really need to start reading all the posts instead of just jumping in mid conversation

 

[AlphaLackey]

That's some Steiner Math right there!

"The numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you" could have come right from the lips of Yogi Berra.