Confirmed with Link: Jamie McBain and #35 for D Andrej Sekera
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TheBigKahuna
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McBain will make $1.9 for this last year of his current contract.
Sekera will make $1.75 for each of his last two contract years. His cap hit is just higher because he got $4.25 and $3.25 for his first two contract years in his current 4 year deal.
Joe McGrath
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^what he said. Pretty much evens out the cap number vs. actual $ for the team on the whole (until you throw Lindholm and/or Murphy in there)
I think most people still complaining about our defense are forgetting that we'll add M. Staal in a year or two 
bleedgreen
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If they make the same money what the hell is everyone freaking out about? This trade is a borderline steal. I thought sekera made 2.75 and was defending it. I was a mcbain fan but sekera is the better player by far right now and mcbain wasn't getting out of the dog house anytime soon.
I was fine with this deal before, now I'm actually impressed.
I was fine with this deal before, now I'm actually impressed.
TheBigKahuna
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Don't forget, that Covro will be brought back just before the pre-season starts too. But it'll be a 1yr $1.25m deal.
I'm fine with the trade, it is what it is. Canes get a cheap 2nd pairing bandaid for the next 2 years. Think it was a bit of an overpayment considering who was on the board, I would have preferred 2014 picks gone instead, but that's the fate of a budget team with a bare cupboard of prospects.
No legit, AHL seasoned prospects that have proven enough to step in and zero chance of spending to bring in a top-4 D in UFA.
Some are simply freaking out because they know very little about Sekera, in my opinion.
The thing that concerns me is JR's use of the term "shutdown" when referring to Sekera. The guy is pretty solid but he is not a shutdown D. At one point JR said he wanted someone who may not have been given a chance to play that kind of role elsewhere. If that's his plan, he's kidding himself. Package Pitkanen and get a physical D for the top 4.
Buenos Necas
lets go canes
I don't think most people cared about the contract or giving up McBain as much as giving up a shot at Fucale or whoever else in the 2nd. Regardless, Sekera is an upgrade on McBain and his contract just makes the deal that much better. And when compared with the other proposed deal (5th+McBain for 8th+Sekera), I'm pretty happy with the outcome.
sheriff bart
Where are the white women at
JR could have kept McBain and his dead weight money and used the pick to take a d-man that might have the chance to become the next Andrej Sekera...
...or...
JR moves McBain and his dead weight (fat and salary) and picks up the current Andrej Sekera. Any second rounder that turns into a Sekera quality of player is a good pick. He may have taken Fucale, ignored the defensive issues, and we would have had a nice young player to wear a cap, open the bench door, and rub lotion on Cam's neck from the burn from the goal lamp.
JR plugs a d-man into the top 4 for less than $2M in salary. That's a good day folks.
...or...
JR moves McBain and his dead weight (fat and salary) and picks up the current Andrej Sekera. Any second rounder that turns into a Sekera quality of player is a good pick. He may have taken Fucale, ignored the defensive issues, and we would have had a nice young player to wear a cap, open the bench door, and rub lotion on Cam's neck from the burn from the goal lamp.
JR plugs a d-man into the top 4 for less than $2M in salary. That's a good day folks.
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Linked in wrong thread.
Fucale would have been OK, but as we saw at the Draft and last years trade deadline, even the best goalie prospects have little value compared to F and D. Would have like Zykov, Santini, or Bowey... But this is the Hurricanes, not the Red Wings.
Can't be much worse than wasting a pick on Brock McGinn, Sanguinetti, or Nash (fine 4th liner but I expect at least a higher ceiling for a 2nd) can it?
Linked in wrong thread.
Fucale would have been OK, but as we saw at the Draft and last years trade deadline, even the best goalie prospects have little value compared to F and D. Would have like Zykov, Santini, or Bowey... But this is the Hurricanes, not the Red Wings.
Can't be much worse than wasting a pick on Brock McGinn, Sanguinetti, or Nash (fine 4th liner but I expect at least a higher ceiling for a 2nd) can it?
bleedgreen
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I'm looking forward to seeing how over rated this draft is. People hating this trade because of a guy they could've gotten in the second round is partially IMO attributed to hype this draft got. I generally hate trading higher picks, and I've always clowned jr for it. Comes with the territory with this team though, and when it's for a player that makes sense it's hard to be that upset about it. Sekera has already had a better career than the majority of the second round ever will have. We had to move for d, and had little to offer to make it happen. Jr never cared about draft picks, can't be surprised he still doesn't now. At least it was for a useful, affordable, younger player who fills a need.
Still need to make the d tougher though, sekera doesn't change that much.
Still need to make the d tougher though, sekera doesn't change that much.
sheriff bart
Where are the white women at
Even though this trade makes plenty of sense, I'd like to see JR fix it for a year or two and be able to get away from this strategy. It's kind of like colleges who make the commitment to red shirt players in a sport. It hurts for a year or two, but pays long term benefits. With the salary restrictions the Canes have, it certainly helps when you are able to bring in young players on those entry level and 2nd contract deals.
What the Faulk
You'll know when you go
I think there are more people asking why people are freaking out than there are people who are freaking out.
djboos22
Aho (insert pun)
I really like this trade. Mcbain can still be productive, but we need a defensman who doesnt make dumb mistakes and we can rely on. He is exactly what he is, a top 4 dman. Nothing more nothing less just solid. In order to get our d in order we have to start simple and smart with guys who can have stability at the aspect were worst at. Now yes, his contract is a little expensive, but ill take it.
djboos22
Aho (insert pun)
Exactly. We def dont need to draft "the goalie of our future" yet. Cam has a good 3-4 years left. Maybe in the next 2 years look for a guy.
Cam is 29 years old. I think he will win over 300 games before he is done and after the cup win in 06...I really thought and still think we could win one more as long as we kept Staal and Wardo.
What the Faulk
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If Cam Ward has 3-4 years left then they should have drafted his heir 1-2 years ago. Goaltenders take awhile to develop.
tarheelhockey
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Ward has a good deal more than 3-4 years left, and will win a good deal more than 300 games. He's well within the boundaries of what are considered "prime" years for goalies.
Depends on what page you're looking at. The first few in this thread are a joke. One guy, as is typical with him, first said "Do. Not. Like, " then a few hours later said "I actually REALLY like this trade."
It's almost like some people just spew out words on a keyboard without actually thinking of the players involved. If one doesn't know much about the player involved (Sekera) then why would one make a definitive statement about the poor quality of the trade? Doesn't make sense. Think before you (not YOU) type.
Finnish Jerk Train
lol stupid mickey mouse organization
I don't hate the trade. Sekera strikes me as somewhere between Nic Wallin and Glen Wesley. He seems to like to fly under the radar; he's not particularly flashy and will never put up big point totals, but we can rely on him to eat his share of minutes, be responsible in his own end, and get pucks out without making too many mistakes. He's the kind of guy you don't notice on D (in a good way), and that unfamiliarity may have something to do with why so many people reacted negatively at first.
McBain's development had completely stalled. He needs a shot in the arm and he wasn't going to get it here, so he was pretty much worthless to us. Giving up the second rounder to get a reliable second pairing guy entering his prime seems fair to me. Reaction from both sides has been mixed, which also tends to indicate an even trade.
McBain's development had completely stalled. He needs a shot in the arm and he wasn't going to get it here, so he was pretty much worthless to us. Giving up the second rounder to get a reliable second pairing guy entering his prime seems fair to me. Reaction from both sides has been mixed, which also tends to indicate an even trade.
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What the Faulk
You'll know when you go
Does he? He's going to need a competent backup to take some of the load off. He can't keep facing as many shots as he is and starting as many games as he has. He's got more than 3-4 years left, but at what level?
It's never too early to plan for the future in net. Even Montreal took Fucale while Price is just 25. I'd like to see Carolina spend a high pick (2nd round or better) on a goalie in the next year or so.
Can't say I disagree here. I think people were already penciling their guy into the lineup when JR made the trade, so to them it wasn't a 2nd. It was their guy and McBain for Sekara.
NotOpie
"Puck don't lie"
Again, it's not the trade that's the problem and I absolutely get that McBain was really the "throw in" here. But Buffalo had a boat load of picks. They clearly wanted #35.
Nope, we don't know that JR didn't try. My point was merely the observation that I had hoped JR might GET the extra asset for once. We need them. While we don't have a great track record we have found the occasional diamond in the rough (3rd round and beyond). I would suggest that we still have a few of those in our system (Justin Shugg, Brody Sutter, Keegan Lowe, Danny Biega, etc.) that may reflect a trend toward better late round drafting. I'm not whining as much as thinking wishfully.
Right, which makes ABSOLUTELY no sense if the pick was a D. Because the highest D picked, Nurse, is considered a "project" on here and yet some guy drafted in the 2nd is supposed to come in and start?
Cognitive dissonance, I believe the term is.
What the Faulk
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I think it's also worth noting that Sekara is only 20 months older than McBain. He's better, cheaper and only slightly older at the cost of a 2nd round pick. Honestly I think this has the potential to be one of the better trades he's ever done.
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