bluedevil58*
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You guys are making the assumption that Ward is going to be fully recovered from his injury. That's a big assumption.....
You guys are making the assumption that Ward is going to be fully recovered from his injury. That's a big assumption.....
That's not entirely accurate, as you're overlooking Sekera. He my not score much and won't be your primary PP QB but he's a very good puck mover and outlet passer. Defensively he's pretty good too but if you had to classify him, he's a PMD with sound positioning.Someone explain to me why it would be a good idea for our only defensemen with any offensive skill to be Justin Faulk and a 20-year old Ryan Murphy with four NHL games played.
I know that we've had too many puck-movng defensemen in recent years, but I think that trading Pitkanen officially swings it to not enough puck-moving defensemen. The defensive defensemen police apparently aren't satisfied that we've traded McBain and are letting Corvo, Bergeron, and Sanguinetti walk.
Someone explain to me why it would be a good idea for our only defensemen with any offensive skill to be Justin Faulk and a 20-year old Ryan Murphy with four NHL games played.
I know that we've had too many puck-movng defensemen in recent years, but I think that trading Pitkanen officially swings it to not enough puck-moving defensemen. The defensive defensemen police apparently aren't satisfied that we've traded McBain and are letting Corvo, Bergeron, and Sanguinetti walk.
As soon as Ryan Murphy struggles it'll be Bellemore time and we'll be going off the glass/around the boards on every breakout. Sounds like a great plan when you've got 30 million dollars tied up in your top six.
That's not entirely accurate, as you're overlooking Sekera. He my not score much and won't be your primary PP QB but he's a very good puck mover and outlet passer. Defensively he's pretty good too but if you had to classify him, he's a PMD with sound positioning.
The idea of moving Pitkanen is not get another bottom dwelling physical D but a guy who can play in the top 4. Obviously it won't be somebody with Pitkanen's skating or passing but someone who brings more physical presence but isn't a statue with the puck. That may be a pipe dream but with the new division alignment this D needs is still lacking and Pitkanen is the best bargaining chip even if you don't get full value.
I agree with this. Faulk and Murphy are good young defensemen but they are not good enough to be the sole puck-movers on an NHL team. Pitkanen is the one defenseman we have who is proven in his role as the primary PMD and PP point man. If we move him, it better bring back an equally proficient puck mover or we are going to have serious issues getting the puck up-ice and our PP is going to be the worst in the league for a long time.
Using Pits as the example, there are several reasons: a guy who's fallen out of favor, a team who signs a better D-D as a UFA, a team in need of prospects, a team in need of a PMD who can play on the PP, etc.I think the rub there is why would any team trade an affordable (because it would have to be) top 4 physical defenseman for anything the Hurricanes could realistically offer?
Absolutely agree. It seems with Pitkanen absence from the lineup makes the fans' heart grow fonder. To say he's indispensable because he's the best puck-mover misses a key point. He can't play every shift and he often gets to causal with the puck anyway.While a lot of this is accurate, Pitkanen is not good on the PP. He should be, but he just isn't.
I think I said this earlier, but the guy that would be perfect is Johnny Boychuk. Right handed, very physical, cannon of a shot, average at worst skater. Of course he's going nowhere, but that's the type the team would need to replace Pitkanen.
While a lot of this is accurate, Pitkanen is not good on the PP. He should be, but he just isn't.
I think I said this earlier, but the guy that would be perfect is Johnny Boychuk. Right handed, very physical, cannon of a shot, average at worst skater. Of course he's going nowhere, but that's the type the team would need to replace Pitkanen.
But what is Pitkanen? A second-pair guy. He only logs those minutes because he takes over the periodic shift on a depleted bottom pair. He rarely goes up against top lines and also makes either goofy or indifferent plays. Boychuk would be an excellent second pair guy.I REALLY REALLY like Boychuk and would be thrilled if we got him, but he can't play Pitkanen minutes. He's a second-pair guy all the way, and prone to the same goofy mistakes that we see from Harrison when he gets overused.
Agreed, and I'd put him in the 2nd pairing in a heartbeat.^ I'm not advocating Boychuk as more than a #3.
But what is Pitkanen? A second-pair guy. He only logs those minutes because he takes over the periodic shift on a depleted bottom pair. He rarely goes up against top lines and also makes either goofy or indifferent plays. Boychuk would be an excellent second pair guy.
But he doesn't need to replace him in terms of role, that's not the point. I'd like to see him replace Pitkanen because what he brings is more of a need for this D corps, especially with the match-ups in the new divisional alignment.Pitkanen's career TOI:
16:35
23:43
24:33
24:07
24:48
27:23
25:01
22:18
22:49
Boychuk's career TOI:
17:39
20:30
20:37
20:24
Setting aside the semantic first-pair/second-pair argument, there's a very clear difference between the level of responsibility that Pitkanen has handled ever since his rookie year and the level that Boychuk is at now.
I watch both of these players closely and I'm telling ya... Boychuk cannot replace Pitkanen. One is a racehorse, the other is a mule. Given equal minutes, Pitkanen would outplay Boychuk by a very significant margin.
But he doesn't need to replace him in terms of role, that's not the point. I'd like to see him replace Pitkanen because what he brings is more of a need for this D corps, especially with the match-ups in the new divisional alignment.
With Faulk's continued maturation and the addition of Sekera (a very good if underrated puck-mover), Pitkanen doesn't need to play those kinds of minutes.
Besides, given the amount of minutes logged by Chara, your second pair guys aren't going to rack up huge minutes.
Also Pits' huge PP minutes will skew his TTOI.
So what is the Canes PP going to look like during the 20 or so games Pitkanen misses? Even if he stays healthy and plays 80 games there is no gurantee he doesn't lose a step after his surgery. That injury is no joke and I'm just not comfortable counting on a guy to eat up all those minutes when I can't be confident he's going to be on the ice.
Unless they can trade him for someone who eats those minutes and knows how to run a PP, they don't have much of a choice but to just suffer through it.
I'd rather have Pitkanen for 60 games than an inferior replacement for 82. There is no way we're going to make the playoffs with Murphy, Sekera, Faulk and Harrison as our PP engine.
It just seems odd that you're advocating keeping Pitkanen partially on the grounds that we need him for the PP when he's been the QB on what is already an abysmal PP. not to mention that he's played 40% of the teams games over the last 2 years.
Jeff Skinner + Something for Marc Staal. + Boyle.
This trade still makes the most sense.
Has Marc Staal completely recovered from the eye injury?
Faulk is not in Pitkanen's league as a puck-mover but he is most certainly a puck-mover. He came up as an offensive-D who is trying to round out his D game. To say otherwise is simply wrong. Keep in mind too that you don't have to just skate the puck out of your zone, and he is a good, accurate outlet passer as well (so is Sekera).Faulk is not a puck-mover and putting him in that position would not be good for his continued maturation. If anything, it would come at the expense of things he's actually qualified to do -- positional defense, and setting up as a shooting option.
That leaves Murphy (a 20-year-old rookie) and Sekera as the guys handling the puck for all of our ES and PP play. That's not going to work.
That's not even touching the fact that, again, nobody else in the lineup is capable of absorbing the minutes that Pitkanen skates. Faulk would be the only player in the lineup who has skated over 21:12 in a season in his career, and Faulk was already logging 24:00 last season. Those extra minutes would inevitably go to Gleason, who's already been exposed as over-extended in his current 21-minute role.
That's not why Boychuk hasn't been given more ice time. He simply isn't capable of shouldering the load. Again, it's comparable to Jay Harrison who is fine with 16 minutes a game but horrible with 20. Boychuk is a notch up from that, but he is not a guy you send out for extensive TOI.
And those minutes would now be going to players who are even worse on the PP. It doesn't make sense.
Faulk is not in Pitkanen's league as a puck-mover but he is most certainly a puck-mover.
Boychuk wouldn't be asked to provide extended TOI in the second pairing. Not sure where that logic comes from.
And keeping Pitkanen around because he QB's a lousy PP is akin to "we like our group."