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My view of Virtanen in a top 6 role isnt to be "the driver of offense", but rather be a very important cog in "facilitating offense" - like Burrows. He will help his linemates score throught the tools he brings, forechecking, turnovers, physical play, and also be the beneficiary of playing with good players and that will help his stats but he will play a valuable role imho.
You don't score 40 goals in junior (the way he did) without offensive hockey IQ. We've seen him snipe shots, use his speed to wheel around NHL dmen. He has to work on his hands, and puck handling, and adding some nuance to his offensive game. But his shot alone is capable of getting him 20 goals. He certainly has better hands than Hansen or Burrows ever did.
Again, as a top 6 player he will never be the 'driver' but his tools will help the other linemates have room and time, so they can utilize their offensive game, whether that be on a line with Bo and Boeser, on the off wing, or Peterson and Dhalen, he can fit in very nicely.
Ok this tells me you don't know how he scored his goals in WHL.
so you're suggesting that video implies he DOESN'T have good hands? LOL WHAT?!!!!
Omg man- you try and bash the kid and then show me a video of goals where all he's doing is sniping LOL
hahahaahhaha
Dishonest about what? LMAO -what does that even mean? Dishonest about him having hands? LOLWhy do I keep trying to engage you. You are obviously being dishonest.
Look at the part I bolded in your post for a hint of what Im talking about...
maybe he skates up the ice backwards, goes through all five guys, with the puck on his blade like its a lacrosse stick?I wonder what a high IQ winger's goal reel looks like.
Yes I understand that
1. to score 40 goals at the major junior level you need offensive hockey IQ -does it mean you'll score 40 in the NHL no, but you need high offensive awareness
2. To put yourself in the right postitions to score 40 goals you need a high hockey IQ
3. To know when to release the puck to beat a goalie you need a high hockey IQ
4. To snipe like he does, you need to know where the holes are on a goalie, how to move him to open up those holes, when to release the puck etc, which rqire a high hockey IQ
It is clear you've never laced them up son. LOL, Junior goalies don't let a shot in because its hard lol...omg
I wonder what a high IQ winger's goal reel looks like.
Maybe Kane, Kane, Wheeler, Ov, Boeser, Kessel, Gaudreau, etc...
When people talk about Virtanen's lack of IQ, they are talking about playmaking aspect... not how he scores goals..
That poster who posted about the Virtanen goal scoring video didn t prove what he thought he was proving.
what ad hominem fallacies are those? it's clear you've never played competitive hockey sonAlready with the ad hominem fallacies
what ad hominem fallacies are those? it's clear you've never played competitive hockey son
anyone who's played competitively knows it's not easy to score 40 goals at the major junior level sorry
i'm right
You don't see the difference between the way Virtanen scored his goals vs Boeser, Kessel, Ovie etc?
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We are not talking about what is hard or what is easy in major junior.
We are talking about what translates from jr to pro hockey.
You are making this way too easy.
Yes it was easy to prove your case wrong when you provided video evidence of Jake having a high offensive hockey IQ given how he scored his goals in junior. You defeated your own argument lol. So it was too easy you're correct
thanks for posting it.
You can't have it both ways.
please show me where i said that comment i have boldedNot sure this is relevant to the discussion about JVs hockey IQ, but I used to wear Jofa's before Reebok bought them.
Can you now address my point where I pointed out that you first claim that scoring 40 goals in WHL indicates a high hockey IQ then say scoring goals is irrelevant when talking about hockey IQ?
Tons of guys have scored tons of goals in major junior and then didn't see it translate in the AHL, let alone the NHL.
Jake does not have high hockey IQ. I don't know what in his NHL play would lead you to believe that he has high HIQ for the NHL level.
Early in the year, he didn't go to the net. Hell you can say "early in his career" and it would be correct.
He started it a little, but it took like 15 games to start doing it consistently.
When he finally started doing it regularly, he started overdoing it to the point where he was losing possession. He wasn't using his linemates. When he did get to the net he wasn't making the extra play that most goal scorers make to get those garbage goals. He was just happy to put it into the goalie's pads. He didn't understand when he had time and space and often made poor decisions.
Again, I am cheering for Jakey. I like the guy and obviously the Canucks will benefit hugely if he actually develops. But I don't understand how anyone could watch him in the time he's been in the league and said "wow, high hockey IQ".
try scoring 40 goals in major junior withouth it. ridiculous. There is a transition period for most players you know, its called development?? And no that does not mean I am saying he'll score 40 in the NHL, but he has a high enough hockey IQ to score 40 in junior so that means he has talent.
please show me where i said that comment i have bolded
please don't put words in people's mouths. making up an argment that does not exist, to try and create a defense for your false claims is disingenuous. There is no such argument I have made.
Who here is saying Virtanen has the same level of offensive ability as a kid who was on pace for 40 in his rookie year, the best scoring in the last 12 years in the NHL (and one of the greatest goal scorers ever) and a perrenial 35 goal man?
Please don't shift the argument, the point was you said Jake didn't have a high hockey IQ. You then post a video that shows he does lol.
Now the argument is he's not a 40 goal man or doesn't score the way you think he should? Ok, yes we know, he only had like 8 goals last year. He still needs time and he probably wont ever be a 40 goal man.
Do you have to be a 40 goal man to have a high hockey IQ? what if you only get 30? no iq? is that the binary inflection point for team troll Jake?
40 = High hockey IQ
<40 No hockey IQ -
Ok cool beans.
Look I understand what you're trying to say. But look at Boeser. That guy, from the start, does everything right. His inherent IQ is very high.
Even Baertschi - it also took him awhile (about 1.5 seasons) to figure out that he can't be successful if he plays a perimeter game. But once he embraced getting pummeled to make plays, he made skill plays. Once he was in the right place, he could make the little nuanced plays that lead to scoring or helping out other guys on his line.
Jake often has no idea where to be on the ice. I don't know what to say to you if you haven't seen multiple instances of that from him. And we're not talking just on the defensive end, where he has had to learn a lot of lessons. He often doesn't know where to be, PERIOD.
Guys just get away with stuff in junior. If they are just bigger and/or faster, no they don't need high IQ to score a lot of goals. Or at least not the IQ that will let them succeed in the AHL! Let alone the NHL! And for Jake, the cold hard reality is that his IQ is being tested in THE LEAGUE.
But if he had the IQ you claim in junior, we would be seeing less cluelessness from him at this level. We would have seen more production from him in the AHL, where you can also get away with a lot of bad habits. But we're not.
I really do hope he turns it all around. But it's going to be a monumental effort.
try scoring 40 goals in major junior without it. ridiculous. There is a transition period for most players you know, its called development?? And no that does not mean I am saying he'll score 40 in the NHL, but he has a high enough hockey IQ to score 40 in junior so that means he has talent.
beating a goalie at that level is not just skating real fast and having a hard shot man, you have to know how to get to the right spots, how to release, when to release, how to bet defenders, how to use your positioning and your offensive assets to your advantage and take advantage of defenders and goalies weaknesses = hockey iq
The issue is, when you get to the NHL, things are faster, players are better, you have to learn to adjust. And that's where he is now. Learning to adjust his game. Not every player adjusts as fast as McDavid.
How long did Bo take to adjust? hmmm does he have a low hockey IQ? Baer?
try scoring 40 goals in major junior without it. ridiculous. There is a transition period for most players you know, its called development?? And no that does not mean I am saying he'll score 40 in the NHL, but he has a high enough hockey IQ to score 40 in junior so that means he has talent.
beating a goalie at that level is not just skating real fast and having a hard shot man, you have to know how to get to the right spots, how to release, when to release, how to bet defenders, how to use your positioning and your offensive assets to your advantage and take advantage of defenders and goalies weaknesses = hockey iq
The issue is, when you get to the NHL, things are faster, players are better, you have to learn to adjust. And that's where he is now. Learning to adjust his game. Not every player adjusts as fast as McDavid.
How long did Bo take to adjust? hmmm does he have a low hockey IQ? Baer?
perhaps you're having a tough time understanding since I never said half of the things you are making up.You forgot to mention you are now talking about Jake Virtanen and 40 goals in the NHL not the 40 goals you brought up earlier that actually has scored in the WHL.
Sorry, I legitimately have trouble following your train of thought.