Wally112pac
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easton122 said:NHL success turns into management success
What the hell are you talkin about? lol
easton122 said:NHL success turns into management success
Sammy said:I take it you never saw the World Cup or the the World Hockey Championships?
And the Paul Martin comment is tooooo funny. Not only is Martin 2 1/2 years older, there isnt a GM in hockey who would take him over JBO.
Wally112pac said:What the hell are you talkin about? lol
Lauser3 said:Furthermore, the 20 points for Jaystine that Vlady pointed out for the last NHL season was more like 12, since he had about 8 secondary assists in the mix, which you actually don't have to do much to get aside from touching the puck.
Oh, "but he was on Team Canada and blah blah blah?" Yeah, but so were Rob Niedermayer and Kelly Buchberger at one point...does that make them elite players in the NHL as well? Please...mind you, I'd still take those guys on the Panthers, but they aren't exactly the cream of the crop. And neither is Bouwmeester.
Oh, "but he won a gold medal?" So? I rather have a Stanley Cup. BTW...he's also been outshined by a defenseman taken right after him (Pitkanen). Laters.
easton122 said:Since when is Gretzky the hockey god of picking a team?
Wally112pac said:Pitkanen has outshined Jbo? lol.
Pitkanen's time on ice/game 03-04 16:35
Jbo's time on ice/game 03-04 23:02
Jbo has earned more ice time so he must be better?
Pitkanen was a HEALTHY scratch for Finland in the World Cup. Jbo played for Canada even when defenseman got healthy.
Take away the AHL. That is AHL points. Who gives a crap. I compare NHL points. That's all that matters to me.
David Ling scored 88 AHL points in 80 games this year after scoring 3 NHL points in 50 games with the Jackets in 03-04. I hope that speaks for itself.
Liquidrage said:Ummm.. You really don't watch a lot of hockey do you? Seriously, you lol at that is not because it's funny.
Put JBo on the Flyers and he's ice time would be no better.
Yeah, and a player that's clearly been better then him and could play for Canada wasn't on the team. JBo was only on Team Canada for the future. They have the luxury of being able to put him on the team and just letting him play. Finland didn't do that.
So the AHL doesn't matter but Team Canada does?
So JBo should have scored 1000 points? Is that your point?
Wally112pac said:Take away the AHL. That is AHL points. Who gives a crap. I compare NHL points. That's all that matters to me.
David Ling scored 88 AHL points in 80 games this year after scoring 3 NHL points in 50 games with the Jackets in 03-04. I hope that speaks for itself.
i agree completely.He's one of our best defensemen right now.People have to watch this kid more.Matt MacInnis said:I'm not certain where the controversy is. JJ may be a great prospect, but Jay Bouwmeester is one of Canada's top 12 defencemen RIGHT NOW. This guy turns 22 on September 27 and has 2 full years of NHL experience under his belt, playing for a very bad team (would have been three). Keep in mind he's years away from the peak of his development curve, and personally, if I'm a team that drafts JJ, I'd be happy if he EVER is as good as J-Bo is right now.
But he got no points & he isnt physical.cyclops said:i agree completely.He's one of our best defensemen right now.People have to watch this kid more.
Wally112pac said:No, i do watch a lot of Hockey. I don't go by stats when i say Pitkanen hasn't outshined Jbo.
"Put JBo on the Flyers and he's ice time would be no better."
Correct. I'm tryin to see things logically.
Flyers = strong defence
Panthers = weak defence
Yeah,but the kid can stick to just about anyone(well,anyone) with his incredible skating, he knows how to play 'd' too,just watch his coverage.He has some down games but he really knows how to cover guys,can stay with any skater in the league and move the puck out of the zone and get you out of trouble like nobodies business when the mood suits him (he needs to do more of this) He played really well at the world cup under difficult circumstances and looked like he was a seasoned veteran all-star most shifts.He's poised and his physical gifts are incredible.I don't think he'll ever be a great scorer and he don't have to be for me. As long as he get's more agressive with his confidence and uses game in and game out the incredible skill set he does have he can still be a norris type defenseman and impact d-guy that no other team has a replica of.Sammy said:But he got no points & he isnt physical.
I cant believe how stupid Hockey Canada is. They obviously havnt been watching him play or looking at his stats.
FlyersFan10 said:With the Panthers defense being so bad, Bouwmeester was given every chance to become a leader on that team. He failed on all levels to become a leader in Florida. But because he plays in Florida, everyone from Hockey Canada believes that it's the environment that Jay plays in that makes him seem like a mediocre defender.
Wally112pac said:What do you mean become a leader?
The kid is super shy. He's not captain/leader material at 19/20 years old.
I find it hilarious that everyone rags on young Jbo cause he hasn't scored very much in the NHL. But people love older Kronwall and what has he done in the NHL to date?
A shy player can't be 'top dog' on the Florida bluleine?FlyersFan10 said:I don't like Kronwall at all. I'm a Pitkanen fan and I think he'll be the next big thing in terms of defenders. I don't see greatness with Bouwmeester. If he ever wants to be great, then he will need to step up and be the top dog on the Florida blueline. You said it best. He's super shy. And as long as that's the case, he'll never be number 1.
FlyersFan10 said:. He's super shy. And as long as that's the case, he'll never be number 1.
Matt MacInnis said:Team Canada obviously feels he is one of their top twelve or they would not have selected him. This is irrefutable evidence of how highly some of the most respected people in hockey view this player.
Sammy said:Geez, somebody should have told that to Orr when he was 20.
And pitkanens fast becoming unbelievably overrated.
Boumeester, Orr, Coffey, Lowe, Leetch, Phillips, Morris, Sydor, Stuart...etc.Liquidrage said:Really, name all the people his age and younger that have been better?
Sammy said:Boumeester, Orr, Coffey, Lowe, Leetch, Phillips, Morris, Sydor, Stuart...etc.
The list is endless.
And your Van Ryn argument illustrates the depth of a number of things, not limited to your knowledge.
And thats not a compliment.