Jack Hughes vs Suzuki vs Stützle
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Lol ,NJ has drafted no where close to the amount of impact players in the 29 years we have been in the league period....Your arguement has been soundly beaten now off with you
Evading the argument you made still?
I get your need to change the topic cause you lost but we were talking about the players drafted in the last 10 years bro. Just take the L and then come at me with a new opinion/argument. This one is getting quite old.
Lol ,Ottawa has drafted far better than NJ sorry you cant handle the truth bro,you grasping at straw to prove a momment where NJ may have had the slightest edge doesnt change this fact
Responding to your argument and beating you with facts is grasping at straws?
its hilarious how you are avoiding the fact that You set up parameters for an argument and then got beaten in every reply you send. Feel free to continue responding though I don't think I will be bored of this humorous repetition for quite some time.
*calling the sens boards to pick up Topshelf*
Lets make a poll ,you are being obtuse just for the sake of it here...Ottawa has drafted far more quality NHL players than NJ has this isnt news dude,Ottawa has never spent over 60 or so mil on their team ever ...Yet they have produced some competitive teams,on shoestring budgets...Can NJ say the same??Responding to your argument and beating you with facts is grasping at straws?
its hilarious how you are avoiding the fact that You set up parameters for an argument and then got beaten in every reply you send. Feel free to continue responding though I don't think I will be bored of this repetition for quite some time.
*calling the sens boards to pick up Topshelf*
NiceResponding to your argument and beating you with facts is grasping at straws?
its hilarious how you are avoiding the fact that You set up parameters for an argument and then got beaten in every reply you send. Feel free to continue responding though I don't think I will be bored of this humorous repetition for quite some time.
*calling the sens boards to pick up Topshelf*
Again you keep on missing the fact that YOU said players drafted in the last 10 years. Its not my fault, go blame yourself.
Getting old Salary data is hard to find so I can't really check to see if NJ can or can not say. I can though say that the Devils were competitive for a long time and usually had to play against other teams in the division that had way bigger budgets such as the Rangers and the Flyers and later on the Pengiuns.
from 2009-2013 the owner at the time Jeff Vanderbeek had financial problems and the devils had to borrow $30 million to meet their payroll.
Again you re getting hung up on a number misquoted by me to try and get what exactly????So let me rephrase it for you ,who has been the better drafting team period???
pretty hard to misquote a specific year when you meant better draft history of both teams. My bullshit detector is blowing up right now.
The Devils were contenders and a playoff team from 1995-2012 so we usually picked later in the 1st round but lets give this a go.
Devils. I'll star from 1992 in order to be fair to the sens even though New Jersey drafted many people who played 100 to 1000s games before 1992
GP G A Pts Pims
| 1992 Entry | 18 | 1 | Jason Smith | D | Regina Pats [WHL] | 1008 | 41 | 128 | 169 | 1099 |
| 1992 Entry | 42 | 2 | Sergei Brylin | C | CSKA Moscow [Russia] | 765 | 129 | 179 | 308 | 273 |
| 1992 Entry | 66 | 3 | Cale Hulse | D | Portland Winter Hawks [WHL] | 619 | 16 | 79 | 95 | 1000 |
| 1992 Entry | 186 | 8 | Stephane Yelle | C | Oshawa Generals [OHL] | 991 | 96 | 169 | 265 | 490 |
| 1993 Entry | 13 | 1 | Denis Pederson | C | Prince Albert Raiders [WHL] | 435 | 57 | 71 | 128 | 398 |
| 1993 Entry | 32 | 2 | Jay Pandolfo | L | Boston University [H-East] | 899 | 100 | 126 | 226 | 164 |
| 1993 Entry | 39 | 2 | Brendan Morrison | C | Penticton Panthers [BCJHL] | 934 | 200 | 401 | 601 | 452 |
| 1993 Entry | 65 | 3 | Krzysztof Oliwa | L | Welland (Jr. B) | 410 | 17 | 28 | 45 | 1447 |
| 1994 Entry | 51 | 2 | Patrik Elias | L | Kladno [Czech] | 1240 | 408 | 617 | 1025 | 549 |
| 1994 Entry | 71 | 3 | Sheldon Souray | D | Tri-City Americans [WHL] | 758 | 109 | 191 | 300 | 1145 |
| 1994 Entry | 233 | 9 | Steve Sullivan | C | Soo Greyhounds [OHL] | 1011 | 290 | 457 | 747 | 587 |
| 1995 Entry | 18 | 1 | Petr Sykora | C | Detroit Vipers [IHL] | 1017 | 323 | 398 | 721 | 455 |
| 1995 Entry | 79 | 4 | Alyn McCauley | C | Ottawa 67's [OHL] | 488 | 69 | 97 | 166 | 116 |
| 1996 Entry | 49 | 2 | Colin White | D | Hull Olympiques [QMJHL] | 797 | 21 | 108 | 129 | 869 |
| 1996 Entry | 199 | 8 | Willie Mitchell | D | Melfort Mustangs [SJHL] | 907 | 34 | 146 | 180 | 787 |
| 1998 Entry | 82 | 3 | Brian Gionta | R | Boston College [H-East] | 1026 | 291 | 304 | 595 | 377 |
| 1998 Entry | 27 | 1 | Scott Gomez | C | Tri-City Americans [WHL] | 1079 | 181 | 575 | 756 | 655 |
| 2000 Entry | 62 | 2 | Paul Martin | D | Elk River High School | 870 | 50 | 270 | 320 | 238 |
| 2000 Entry | 76 | 3 | Mike Rupp | L | Erie Otters [OHL] | 609 | 54 | 45 | 99 | 855 |
| 2003 Entry | 17 | 1 | Zach Parise | L | U. of North Dakota [WCHA] | 1060 | 393 | 417 | 810 | 384 |
| 2004 Entry | 20 | 1 | Travis Zajac | C | Salmon Arm Silverbacks [BCHL] | 1037 | 203 | 349 | 552 | 344 |
| 2008 Entry | 82 | 3 | Adam Henrique | C | Windsor Spitfires [OHL] | 710 | 198 | 201 | 399 | 215 |
| 2010 Entry | 38 | 2 | Jon Merrill | D | U.S. National Development Team [USHL] | 405 | 12 | 54 | 66 | 211 |
| 2011 Entry | 4 | 1 | Adam Larsson | D | Skelleftea AIK [SEL] | 603 | 25 | 112 | 137 | 347 |
| 2011 Entry | 75 | 3 | Blake Coleman | C | Indiana Ice [USHL] | 301 | 71 | 55 | 126 | 241 |
| 2012 Entry | 60 | 2 | Damon Severson | D | Kelowna Rockets [WHL] | 486 | 40 | 144 | 184 | 293 |
| 2012 Entry | 150 | 5 | Alexander Kerfoot | C | Coquitlam Express [BCHL] | 278 | 51 | 85 | 136 | 110 |
| 2013 Entry | 100 | 4 | Miles Wood | L | Nobles (Mass. H.S.) | 323 | 65 | 56 | 121 | 347 |
GP G A P Pim
| 1992 Entry | 2 | 1 | Alexei Yashin | C | Moscow Dynamo [Russia] | 850 | 337 | 444 | 781 | 401 |
| 1993 Entry | 227 | 9 | Pavol Demitra | C | Trencin Dukla [Czech.] | 847 | 304 | 464 | 768 | 284 |
| 1993 Entry | 1 | 1 | Alexandre Daigle | R | Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] | 616 | 129 | 198 | 327 | 186 |
| 1994 Entry | 133 | 6 | Daniel Alfredsson | R | Vastra Frolunda HC [SEL] | 1246 | 444 | 713 | 1157 | 510 |
| 1994 Entry | 3 | 1 | Radek Bonk | C | Las Vegas Thunder [IHL] | 969 | 194 | 303 | 497 | 581 |
| 1994 Entry | 29 | 2 | Stanislav Neckar | D | Ceske Budejovice HC [Czech] | 510 | 12 | 41 | 53 | 316 |
| 1995 Entry | 1 | 1 | Bryan Berard | D | Detroit Junior Red Wings [OHL] | 619 | 76 | 247 | 323 | 500 |
| 1996 Entry | 1 | 1 | Chris Phillips | D | Prince Albert Raiders [WHL] | 1179 | 71 | 217 | 288 | 756 |
| 1996 Entry | 136 | 6 | Andreas Dackell | R | Brynas IF Gavle [SEL] | 613 | 91 | 159 | 250 | 162 |
| 1996 Entry | 239 | 9 | Sami Salo | D | TPS Turku [SM-liiga] | 878 | 99 | 240 | 339 | 286 |
| 1997 Entry | 119 | 5 | Magnus Arvedson | L | Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL] | 434 | 100 | 125 | 225 | 241 |
| 1997 Entry | 12 | 1 | Marian Hossa | R | Trencin Dukla [Slovak] | 1309 | 525 | 609 | 1134 | 628 |
| 1998 Entry | 44 | 2 | Mike Fisher | C | Sudbury Wolves [OHL] | 1104 | 278 | 311 | 589 | 815 |
| 1998 Entry | 161 | 6 | Chris Neil | R | North Bay Centennials [OHL] | 1026 | 112 | 138 | 250 | 2522 |
| 1999 Entry | 26 | 1 | Martin Havlat | R | Trinec Ocelari HC [Czech] | 790 | 242 | 352 | 594 | 404 |
| 1999 Entry | 94 | 3 | Chris Kelly | C | London Knights [OHL] | 845 | 123 | 168 | 291 | 417 |
| 2000 Entry | 156 | 5 | Greg Zanon | D | U. of Nebraska-Omaha [CCHA] | 493 | 12 | 50 | 62 | 230 |
| 2000 Entry | 55 | 2 | Antoine Vermette | C | Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] | 1046 | 228 | 287 | 515 | 622 |
| 2000 Entry | 21 | 1 | Anton Volchenkov | D | CSKA Jr. (Russia) | 696 | 19 | 114 | 133 | 438 |
| 2001 Entry | 193 | 6 | Brooks Laich | C | Moose Jaw Warriors [WHL] | 776 | 134 | 198 | 332 | 307 |
| 2001 Entry | 2 | 1 | Jason Spezza | C | Windsor Spitfires [OHL] | 1177 | 351 | 619 | 970 | 578 |
| 2001 Entry | 23 | 1 | Tim Gleason | D | Windsor Spitfires [OHL] | 727 | 17 | 125 | 142 | 701 |
| 2003 Entry | 29 | 1 | Patrick Eaves | R | Boston College [H-East] | 633 | 132 | 110 | 242 | 210 |
| 2003 Entry | 291 | 9 | Brian Elliott | G | Ajax Axemen [OPJHL] | 502 | 0 | 10 | 10 | 12 |
| 2004 Entry | 23 | 1 | Andrej Meszaros | D | Trencin Dukla [Slovak] | 645 | 63 | 175 | 238 | 457 |
| 2006 Entry | 28 | 1 | Nick Foligno | L | Sudbury Wolves [OHL] | 957 | 203 | 283 | 486 | 769 |
| 2008 Entry | 15 | 1 | Erik Karlsson | D | Frolunda Jrs (Sweden) | 788 | 143 | 482 | 625 | 372 |
| 2008 Entry | 79 | 3 | Zack Smith | L | Swift Current Broncos [WHL] | 662 | 98 | 106 | 204 | 722 |
| 2009 Entry | 130 | 5 | Mike Hoffman | L | Drummondville Voltigeurs [QMJHL] | 545 | 189 | 206 | 395 | 187 |
| 2009 Entry | 39 | 2 | Jakob Silfverberg | R | Brynas Jrs. (Sweden) | 605 | 146 | 161 | 307 | 178 |
| 2009 Entry | 46 | 2 | Robin Lehner | G | Frolunda Jrs. (Sweden) | 320 | 0 | 5 | 5 | 26 |
| 2010 Entry | 178 | 6 | Mark Stone | R | Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL] | 504 | 170 | 276 | 446 | 175 |
| 2011 Entry | 204 | 7 | Ryan Dzingel | C | Lincoln Stars [USHL] | 372 | 82 | 98 | 180 | 15 |
| 2011 Entry | 96 | 4 | Jean-Gabriel Pageau | C | Gatineau Olympiques [QMJHL] | 489 | 103 | 109 | 212 | 180 |
| 2012 Entry | 15 | 1 | Cody Ceci | D | Ottawa 67's [OHL] | 549 | 37 | 106 | 143 | 118 |
| 2013 Entry | 17 | 1 | Curtis Lazar | C | Edmonton Oil Kings [WHL] | 334 | 27 | 47 | 74 | 74 |
28 Devils players over 400 games played or still playing. 36 Senators 400 games played or still playing
21,066 games played by the Devils draftees 26,655 games played by the Senators Draftees
Guess the Senators win but I am pretty okay with how close it despite the Devils continued success in the 13 consecutive playoffs berths between 1996–97 and 2009–10 and the 2012 Finals. Lets not forget those three cups.
In the end what did all this work really prove? I don't really know.
Next time you do the grunt work research for your challenge.
How is this close??Look at the names on Ottawa,s list lets not forget Ottawa also a playoff for over 10 seasons as wellpretty hard to misquote a specific year when you meant better draft history of both teams. My bullshit detector is blowing up right now.
The Devils were contenders and a playoff team from 1995-2012 so we usually picked later in the 1st round but lets give this a go.
Devils. I'll star from 1992 in order to be fair to the sens even though New Jersey drafted many people who played 100 to 1000s games before 1992
GP G A Pts Pims
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
1992 Entry 18 1 Jason Smith D Regina Pats [WHL] 1008 41 128 169 1099 1992 Entry 42 2 Sergei Brylin C CSKA Moscow [Russia] 765 129 179 308 273 1992 Entry 66 3 Cale Hulse D Portland Winter Hawks [WHL] 619 16 79 95 1000 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1992 Entry 186 8 Stephane Yelle C Oshawa Generals [OHL] 991 96 169 265 490 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1993 Entry 13 1 Denis Pederson C Prince Albert Raiders [WHL] 435 57 71 128 398 1993 Entry 32 2 Jay Pandolfo L Boston University [H-East] 899 100 126 226 164 1993 Entry 39 2 Brendan Morrison C Penticton Panthers [BCJHL] 934 200 401 601 452 1993 Entry 65 3 Krzysztof Oliwa L Welland (Jr. B) 410 17 28 45 1447 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1994 Entry 51 2 Patrik Elias L Kladno [Czech] 1240 408 617 1025 549 1994 Entry 71 3 Sheldon Souray D Tri-City Americans [WHL] 758 109 191 300 1145 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1994 Entry 233 9 Steve Sullivan C Soo Greyhounds [OHL] 1011 290 457 747 587 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1995 Entry 18 1 Petr Sykora C Detroit Vipers [IHL] 1017 323 398 721 455 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1995 Entry 79 4 Alyn McCauley C Ottawa 67's [OHL] 488 69 97 166 116 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1996 Entry 49 2 Colin White D Hull Olympiques [QMJHL] 797 21 108 129 869 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1996 Entry 199 8 Willie Mitchell D Melfort Mustangs [SJHL] 907 34 146 180 787 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1998 Entry 82 3 Brian Gionta R Boston College [H-East] 1026 291 304 595 377 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1998 Entry 27 1 Scott Gomez C Tri-City Americans [WHL] 1079 181 575 756 655 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2000 Entry 62 2 Paul Martin D Elk River High School 870 50 270 320 238 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2000 Entry 76 3 Mike Rupp L Erie Otters [OHL] 609 54 45 99 855 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2003 Entry 17 1 Zach Parise L U. of North Dakota [WCHA] 1060 393 417 810 384 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2004 Entry 20 1 Travis Zajac C Salmon Arm Silverbacks [BCHL] 1037 203 349 552 344 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2008 Entry 82 3 Adam Henrique C Windsor Spitfires [OHL] 710 198 201 399 215 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2010 Entry 38 2 Jon Merrill D U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 405 12 54 66 211 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2011 Entry 4 1 Adam Larsson D Skelleftea AIK [SEL] 603 25 112 137 347 2011 Entry 75 3 Blake Coleman C Indiana Ice [USHL] 301 71 55 126 241 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2012 Entry 60 2 Damon Severson D Kelowna Rockets [WHL] 486 40 144 184 293 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2012 Entry 150 5 Alexander Kerfoot C Coquitlam Express [BCHL] 278 51 85 136 110 OTTAWA[TBODY] [/TBODY]
2013 Entry 100 4 Miles Wood L Nobles (Mass. H.S.) 323 65 56 121 347
GP G A P Pim
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
1992 Entry 2 1 Alexei Yashin C Moscow Dynamo [Russia] 850 337 444 781 401 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1993 Entry 227 9 Pavol Demitra C Trencin Dukla [Czech.] 847 304 464 768 284 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1993 Entry 1 1 Alexandre Daigle R Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] 616 129 198 327 186 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1994 Entry 133 6 Daniel Alfredsson R Vastra Frolunda HC [SEL] 1246 444 713 1157 510 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1994 Entry 3 1 Radek Bonk C Las Vegas Thunder [IHL] 969 194 303 497 581 1994 Entry 29 2 Stanislav Neckar D Ceske Budejovice HC [Czech] 510 12 41 53 316 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1995 Entry 1 1 Bryan Berard D Detroit Junior Red Wings [OHL] 619 76 247 323 500 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1996 Entry 1 1 Chris Phillips D Prince Albert Raiders [WHL] 1179 71 217 288 756 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1996 Entry 136 6 Andreas Dackell R Brynas IF Gavle [SEL] 613 91 159 250 162 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1996 Entry 239 9 Sami Salo D TPS Turku [SM-liiga] 878 99 240 339 286 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1997 Entry 119 5 Magnus Arvedson L Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL] 434 100 125 225 241 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1997 Entry 12 1 Marian Hossa R Trencin Dukla [Slovak] 1309 525 609 1134 628 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1998 Entry 44 2 Mike Fisher C Sudbury Wolves [OHL] 1104 278 311 589 815 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1998 Entry 161 6 Chris Neil R North Bay Centennials [OHL] 1026 112 138 250 2522 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1999 Entry 26 1 Martin Havlat R Trinec Ocelari HC [Czech] 790 242 352 594 404 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
1999 Entry 94 3 Chris Kelly C London Knights [OHL] 845 123 168 291 417 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2000 Entry 156 5 Greg Zanon D U. of Nebraska-Omaha [CCHA] 493 12 50 62 230 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2000 Entry 55 2 Antoine Vermette C Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] 1046 228 287 515 622 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2000 Entry 21 1 Anton Volchenkov D CSKA Jr. (Russia) 696 19 114 133 438 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2001 Entry 193 6 Brooks Laich C Moose Jaw Warriors [WHL] 776 134 198 332 307 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2001 Entry 2 1 Jason Spezza C Windsor Spitfires [OHL] 1177 351 619 970 578 2001 Entry 23 1 Tim Gleason D Windsor Spitfires [OHL] 727 17 125 142 701 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2003 Entry 29 1 Patrick Eaves R Boston College [H-East] 633 132 110 242 210 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2003 Entry 291 9 Brian Elliott G Ajax Axemen [OPJHL] 502 0 10 10 12 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2004 Entry 23 1 Andrej Meszaros D Trencin Dukla [Slovak] 645 63 175 238 457 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2006 Entry 28 1 Nick Foligno L Sudbury Wolves [OHL] 957 203 283 486 769 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2008 Entry 15 1 Erik Karlsson D Frolunda Jrs (Sweden) 788 143 482 625 372 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2008 Entry 79 3 Zack Smith L Swift Current Broncos [WHL] 662 98 106 204 722 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2009 Entry 130 5 Mike Hoffman L Drummondville Voltigeurs [QMJHL] 545 189 206 395 187 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2009 Entry 39 2 Jakob Silfverberg R Brynas Jrs. (Sweden) 605 146 161 307 178 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2009 Entry 46 2 Robin Lehner G Frolunda Jrs. (Sweden) 320 0 5 5 26 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2010 Entry 178 6 Mark Stone R Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL] 504 170 276 446 175 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2011 Entry 204 7 Ryan Dzingel C Lincoln Stars [USHL] 372 82 98 180 15 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2011 Entry 96 4 Jean-Gabriel Pageau C Gatineau Olympiques [QMJHL] 489 103 109 212 180 [TBODY] [/TBODY]
2012 Entry 15 1 Cody Ceci D Ottawa 67's [OHL] 549 37 106 143 118 I stopped at 2013 because it started me picking based off potential which isn't very logical[TBODY] [/TBODY]
2013 Entry 17 1 Curtis Lazar C Edmonton Oil Kings [WHL] 334 27 47 74 74
28 Devils players over 400 games played or still playing. 36 Senators 400 games played or still playing
21,066 games played by the Devils draftees 26,655 games played by the Senators Draftees
Guess the Senators win but I am pretty okay with how close it despite the Devils continued success in the 13 consecutive playoffs berths between 1996–97 and 2009–10 and the 2012 Finals. Lets not forget those three cups.
In the end what did all this work really prove? I don't really know.
Next time you do the grunt work research for your challenge.
You really need to take time to read. I said the Senators win but I am personally fine with with it because of the playoff success and cups. I don't know why are you so upset though, I used the only fair metric of games played. Goals/assists/points wouldn't be fair to defensemen.
oh and...
Lets not forget that the Devils had three cups and one finals appearance aswell.
Chest thumping cup wins from decades ago lol....You really need to take time to read. I said the Senators win but I am personally fine with with it because of the playoff success and cups. I don't know why are you so upset though, I used the only fair metric of games played. Goals/assists/points wouldn't be fair to defensemen.
oh and...
Lets not forget that the Devils had three cups and one finals appearance aswell.
Not chest thumping just stating facts that bring nuance to the players drafted by both the Devils and the Senators. Seriously, Stop taking everything I say as some slight against you and your beloved Sens.
Congratulations the score is 1-1-0 in arguments you've made in this thread.
I'm a Devils fan, I don't know that the senators made the playoffs 10 seasons in a row or other fun facts about them just like you clearly don't know much about the Devils.
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You really need to take time to read. I said the Senators win but I am personally fine with with it because of the playoff success and cups. I don't know why are you so upset though, I used the only fair metric of games played. Goals/assists/points wouldn't be fair to defensemen.
oh and...
Lets not forget that the Devils had three cups and one finals appearance aswell.
Drafting and cup winning is not one in the same. Most sens fans can acknowledge where the faults with their team lie (aka keeping great players long term). Drafting isn't one of their downfalls.
they are definitely not one and the same however They do make you draft last in each round. I never stated that drafting was one of the Sens downfalls, just that the Devils are closer to their draft prowess then some sens posters state.
Also Not being number one doesn't mean your last, especially in a league of 32 teams.
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I don't understand why Habs fans are totally surprised by the poll. Suzuki is Or 1 year, 9 months older then Hughes and 2 years and 5 months older then Tim Stützle. You also have to factor in where they were drafted and what people think their potential is.
Also isn't Phillip Danault taking the harder matchups and faceoffs?
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Let's diddly go !
Hughes and Stützle haven’t scored a single point in over a month.
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I had Suzuki at 2nd but I change my vote for my boi at 1st!
Still think that Stützle has the best potential and could very likely end up the best of them all but as of right now, Suzuki is just a beast
Still think that Stützle has the best potential and could very likely end up the best of them all but as of right now, Suzuki is just a beast
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