Jack Hughes vs Suzuki vs Stützle

[ole ole]

Love how most underrate Suzuki but oh well. He's perfect in Montreal, wouldn't change him for Jack nor Jimmy.

Ya most of these same posters laugh at us when we picked Caufield. Hab players are always underrated by everyone else, why, i don't know and really don't care.
Not saying that Suzuki is the better but to say he doesn't even belong there. Well that explains a lot.

 

[ole ole]

He had a 60 point pace and was outscored 15-11 when he was on the ice 5v5. Let's not overrated it.

Your a tad short, his plus/minus was a -5 not a- 4 like your suggesting. You really trying to knock Suzuki down using a -5 as a major reason.

 

[Regal]

Your a tad short, his plus/minus was a -5 not a- 4 like your suggesting. You really trying to knock Suzuki down using a -5 as a major reason.

No, plus minus and 5v5 goal differential aren't the same thing. Plus minus is a terrible stat because of the way it's derived across game states. You can be a positive 5v5 player and still have a negative plus minus because of special teams (see, Draisaitl in '20) 5v5 goal differential is actually an important stat, since, you know, outplaying your opponents head to head is usually how you win. Obviously goal differential needs to be put into context, and the Candiens weren't very strong in this area overall, with only Gallagher and Weber among regulars having a 50% goal differential, but Suzuki was roughly middle of the pack on the team. The comment I was responding to said Suzuki was the 1C on a cup finalist team. That brings up certain connotations of and elite player, and that's not a 60 point center who is getting outscored and isn't tilting the ice for his team more than when he's off of it. And if you think he was, then back at you with the facepalm.

 

[Bileur]

No, plus minus and 5v5 goal differential aren't the same thing. Plus minus is a terrible stat because of the way it's derived across game states. You can be a positive 5v5 player and still have a negative plus minus because of special teams (see, Draisaitl in '20) 5v5 goal differential is actually an important stat, since, you know, outplaying your opponents head to head is usually how you win. Obviously goal differential needs to be put into context, and the Candiens weren't very strong in this area overall, with only Gallagher and Weber among regulars having a 50% goal differential, but Suzuki was roughly middle of the pack on the team. The comment I was responding to said Suzuki was the 1C on a cup finalist team. That brings up certain connotations of and elite player, and that's not a 60 point center who is getting outscored and isn't tilting the ice for his team more than when he's off of it. And if you think he was, then back at you with the facepalm.

Plus minus is a poor stat but how do special teams factor in? I didn’t think they awarded pluses or minuses on special teams (unless you score a short handed goal).

 

[Regal]

Plus minus is a poor stat but how do special teams factor in? I didn’t think they awarded pluses or minuses on special teams (unless you score a short handed goal).

You get minuses for shorthanded goals against as well.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

1. Suzuki
2. Stutzle
3. Hughes

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

You get minuses for shorthanded goals against as well.

Not to mention EN situations. Especially nowadays with teams pulling goalies early and teams pulling goalies multiple times even if the opposition scores, the players who play in those situations are going to take their fair share of minuses for situations that aren't really a case of "bad defensive play".

 

[Golden_Jet]

You get minuses for shorthanded goals against as well.

As you should

 

[Baksfamous112]

I can’t see anyone picking Suzuki or Hughes at #1.

Stutzle
Suzuki
Hughes

 

[Regal]

As you should

Allowing SH goals against is a negative obviously, but including those with SH goals for, and empty net, 3v3, 4v4 and 5v5 goals for and against gives a very muddled idea of what's happening.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I can’t see anyone picking Suzuki or Hughes at #1.

Stutzle
Suzuki
Hughes

I think the only clear thing right now is that Suzuki is third. Hughes and Stutzle could both go either way.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I do find it odd that the some are saying Stutzle is the 2nd coming of Bure

His own coach has made the comparison, and NHL has posted quite bit of content on the social media with this comparison

I just dont see it, like AT ALL with that comp.

Maybe they mean Valeri Bure?

 

[Samsquanch]

I do find it odd that the some are saying Stutzle is the 2nd coming of Bure

His own coach has made the comparison, and NHL has posted quite bit of content on the social media with this comparison

I just dont see it, like AT ALL with that comp.

I agree that theres better comparisons out there stylistically, but whats your big problem?

Stutzle has superstar potential, thats very clear. And he started his NHL career two years ahead of Bure when he won the calder at 20yrs old, so didnt have as big of an immediate impact.

But Stutzle has ridiculous hands and elite speed, Bure's bread and butter, but I would say he plays more like Patrick Kane (more of a playmaker) than a sniper like Bure, if were getting technical.

But again its not like were comparing apples to oranges here at the end of the day.

 

[topshelf15]

Watched hockey for over 30 years,and can say that for sure Stutzle is legit...Not many 18 year olds can make the plays he did..Think he should really be a star in the not so distant future

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Still Timmy

 

[BlueBaron]

I really like Suzuki but I doubt he has the offensive upside of the other two. That said he is a very complete player and is that glorious two way C you have to love. (Yeah I'm Leaf fan who loves Bergeron and Suzuki, but I'll deny it if called on it ).

I like them all but I'll risk Hell and pick the Hab.

 

[Captain97]

I took Stutzle when this poll first came out but after this year that pick could change.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Season is still young but this Habs fan is doing a little bump, because you know, things change so fast this days

 

[Favin]

Season is still young but this Habs fan is doing a little bump, because you know, things change so fast this days

Points-per-game

Stützle: 0.4
Suzuki: 0.8
Hughes: 1.5

 

[Xirik]

Points-per-game

Stützle: 0.4
Suzuki: 0.8
Hughes: 1.5

You forgot the put "hughes doesn't play in Canada" calculation into your stats.

Stützle: 0.4
Suzuki: 0.8
Hughes: 0.5

Fixed it for you.

 

[Favin]

You forgot the put "hughes doesn't play in Canada" calculation into your stats.

Stützle: 0.4
Suzuki: 0.8
Hughes: 0.5

Fixed it for you.

How does that work?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Season is still young but this Habs fan is doing a little bump, because you know, things change so fast this days

ES on ice shooting percentage

Stutzle 2.88%
Suzuki 7.14%

 

[Big Empty]

Points-per-game

Stützle: 0.4
Suzuki: 0.8
Hughes: 1.5

Hughes has 3 points in 2 games. Talk about a small sample size.

 

[Bileur]

I expected Suzuki to be better this season, he is two years older than Hughes and three years older than Stützle after all. Long term is still rank him third.

 

[Nocashstyle]

Hughes has 3 points in 2 games. Talk about a small sample size.

More like 3 points in 4 periods tbf