Player Discussion: Ivan Provorov

[CBJWerenski8]

Didnt see him play this year. I do see 6 goals in 41 for a very low % of PP success so killing it seems a bit heavy.
i see he plays 23+ mins. Its too many. Lets wait a few more weeks. Not sour at all on that trade. You think you resign him for 7 mil+?

If you haven’t seen him play this year, how do you know it’s too many minutes?

Hes been perfectly fine in his current role. Hell, as Major said, he should probably get a bigger role on the PP.

 

[Marioesque]

Didnt see him play this year. I do see 6 goals in 41 for a very low % of PP success so killing it seems a bit heavy.

He plays in PP2, which has played a lot less and produced much more. The issue with PP is Werenski playing PP1. And of course Laine being injured.

 

[majormajor]

Didnt see him play this year. I do see 6 goals in 41 for a very low % of PP success so killing it seems a bit heavy.

He's actually pulling about 10 P/60 on the PP, because he's only playing limited second PP minutes. That's one of the highest numbers of any D in the league.

i see he plays 23+ mins. Its too many. Lets wait a few more weeks. Not sour at all on that trade. You think you resign him for 7 mil+?

We can figure that out later. He's playing really well right now.

I'm aware that he's struggled in recent years in Philly, that's not particularly relevant right now.

 

[Marioesque]

He's actually pulling about 10 P/60 on the PP, because he's only playing limited second PP minutes. That's one of the highest numbers of any D in the league.



We can figure that out later. He's playing really well right now.

I'm aware that he's struggled in recent years in Philly, that's not particularly relevant right now.

Yup, it's a win-win-win. Flyers wanted rid of him, Jackets are happy to have him and he seems to be thriving.

 

[Michigan Magic]

Probably been said before that he is the CBJ points leader. Yeah! So as long as he's producing he should be out there.

 

[KJ Dangler]

Probably been said before that he is the CBJ points leader. Yeah! So as long as he's producing he should be out there.

Not to mention he appears to be taking a big leadership role on this team , especially with our young Russian players in Chinakov, Marchenko, Voronkov, and Tarasov

 

[koteka]

Werenski- Jiricek
Provorov- Severson
Mateychuk- Bean
100% has potential to be a Stanley Cup level and among the elites in the East.

Suddenly when you think about it

Werenski
Provorov
Bean
Has to be among the best LD trios in the league with Carolinas.

Do you still believe these things?

 

[BB88]

Do you still believe these things?

Why are you passing future as of today?

When did Jiricek hit his prime or Mateychuk suddenly leave the juniors?

Honestly try a bit …ng harder

& yes with prime Werenski/Jiricek/Mateychuk the defense has potential to match up very well against Eastern teams

 

[koteka]

Why are you passing future as of today?

You said Werenski, Provorov, and Bean were one of the best LD trios in the league. Do you still believe that? That doesn’t sound like a projection of the future. Werenski is 26. Provorov turns 27 next month. Bean is 25.

 

[BB88]

You said Werenski, Provorov, and Bean were one of the best LD trios in the league. Do you still believe that? That doesn’t sound like a projection of the future. Werenski is 26. Provorov turns 27 next month. Bean is 25.

You brought up a list with Jiricek on the top pair and Mateychuk in the lineup, where does Mateychuk play this year. You have no skills to project which honestly isn’t surprising

& healthy LD is the least of the problem for the team

- Coaching
-Gaudreau/Laine
-RD
- C group

Are well ahead of issues with the team this year but you’re right the LD is why they are at the bottom…

 

[OldGoaltender]

Provorov is a top liner and most likely the best defenseman on the team.

 

[koteka]

You brought up a list with Jiricek on the top pair and Mateychuk in the lineup, where does Mateychuk play this year. You have no skills to project which honestly isn’t surprising

& healthy LD is the least of the problem for the team

- Coaching
-Gaudreau/Laine
-RD
- C group

Are well ahead of issues with the team this year but you’re right the LD is why they are at the bottom…

I honestly dont understand what you are saying here. All I am wondering is if you still feel the same way you did in October. One of the things you said, in your interesting vertical posting style, was

”Suddenly when you think about it

Werenski
Provorov
Bean
Has to be among the best LD trios in the league with Carolinas.”

 

[BB88]

I honestly dont understand what you are saying here. All I am wondering is if you still feel the same way you did in October. One of the things you said, in your interesting vertical posting style, was

”Suddenly when you think about it

Werenski
Provorov
Bean
Has to be among the best LD trios in the league with Carolinas.”

Well you brought up a list that wasn’t even possible for this season as me saying they’ll have an elite defense this year.

& you wonder why you are lost.

& we don’t know and won’t have a clue how the LD trio would match up other teams, there’s too many major flaws in the roster for this season.
But yes I can say safely that the LD group isn’t why they won’t make the playoffs.

Now on I’ll just assume you are trolling and will skip the posts and you try to put words into my mouth

 

[koteka]

Well you brought up a list that wasn’t even possible for this season as me saying they’ll have an elite defense this year.

& you wonder why you are lost.

& we don’t know and won’t have a clue how the LD trio would match up other teams, there’s too many major flaws in the roster for this season.
But yes I can say safely that the LD group isn’t why they won’t make the playoffs.

Now on I’ll just assume you are trolling and will skip the posts and you try to put words into my mouth

I brought up 2 separate quotes by you. I was just wondering if you still believed in either one. It was a simple question. I don’t know how I am putting words in your mouth when I am quoting you.

 

[squashmaple]

I brought up 2 separate quotes by you. I was just wondering if you still believed in either one. It was a simple question. I don’t know how I am putting words in your mouth when I am quoting you.

What is sealioning?

 

[stevo61]

Provorov is a top liner and most likely the best defenseman on the team.

My main complaint is I just wish he wasnt so confident making plays/passes right in front of his own net. He goes through spurts where he is a turnover machine and then spurts of playing clean solid hockey.

Hes been less of a threat to score than I expected but I think thats partly system based, hes been overall a positive and im pretty happy with that move.

 

[koteka]

What is sealioning?

I am just a hockey dad who lives in Columbus who spends a lot of time watching defenses because my kids all played defense. I don’t know why you think I am trolling. The Jackets defense is bad. It fails the eye test, and it fails the objective measures test. There are three teams with worse goals against averages - the Sharks, the Hawks, and the Senators. I’m legit curious if BB88 still agrees with some quotes made a few months ago that are positive about our defense.

 

[ViD]

Provorov is 5th in team scoring as a defenseman and he plays 23 minutes a night
I say that’s pretty good for the AAV we’re paying him now which is $1m less than what Gavrikov makes in LA

 

[GoJackets1]

CBJ Reddit has been complaining a lot about Provorov lately. I think this board has the more proper view of him. He’s been worse defensively playing with Peeke, sure, but who wouldn’t be? I think overall he’s been a great addition to the team, and he’s been much less mistake prone than even Werenski, who has not been good defensively.

Provorov has been reliable on both sides of the ice and definitely better than he was in Philly.

 

[Cowumbus]

CBJ Reddit has been complaining a lot about Provorov lately. I think this board has the more proper view of him. He’s been worse defensively playing with Peeke, sure, but who wouldn’t be? I think overall he’s been a great addition to the team, and he’s been much less mistake prone than even Werenski, who has not been good defensively.

Provorov has been reliable on both sides of the ice and definitely better than he was in Philly.

 

[thebus88]

Makes MANY questionable decisions all over the ice. Different style, but, NOT better than Werenski.

I see him as an asset to trade, and it will be interesting to see what we will/could get, as I still believe both he and Severson were not the greatest fits on defense, and I look at Mateychuk as the better player.

 

[ViD]

Makes MANY questionable decisions all over the ice. Different style, but, NOT better than Werenski.

I see him as an asset to trade, and it will be interesting to see what we will/could get, as I still believe both he and Severson were not the greatest fits on defense, and I look at Mateychuk as the better player.

Again, it’s nearly impossible to find an experienced guy playing first pair minutes and scoring at a really good rate for $4.7m a year, so we win this regardless. Or anyone would rather have a defensive dman Gavrikov at $5.8m a year ?

 

[GoJackets1]

I’m not really a fan of these charts but that being said, how much worse is his D score than other defensemen we have? As far as my eyes tell me, every D man we have hasn’t been great defensively.

 

[majormajor]

Again, it’s nearly impossible to find an experienced guy playing first pair minutes and scoring at a really good rate for $4.7m a year, so we win this regardless. Or anyone would rather have a defensive dman Gavrikov at $5.8m a year ?

I think we'd be better off (and much more balanced) with Gavrikov. Our shutdown options are limited. The difference in cap hit isn't that important.

But I think Provorov has been a positive overall. Too many lazy failed clears lately though, he's got to step it up.

 

[MoeBartoli]

I think we'd be better off (and much more balanced) with Gavrikov. Our shutdown options are limited. The difference in cap hit isn't that important.

But I think Provorov has been a positive overall. Too many lazy failed clears lately though, he's got to step it up.

I couldn’t agree more on this. Where Jarmo crashed the landing was in essence trading Gavrikov for Severson, a worse player signed to a worse deal.